Going full out no-safety-net

[Kaizen]

Three new panthers, going full no dietary d3, nor preformed a. No fat-solubles whatsoever. Just thought I’d share.

 

[Kaizen]

I should probably expand on that so I don’t get any new keepers in trouble. Uvi at the many basking branches ranges from 2-7. Tons of live plants in upper half of cage giving partial to no uvb exposure. Supplementing with earth pro a. Also, rather than doing the calmag every 4 days, I just mixed the calmag with the earth pro a at a rate of 3parts earth pro: 1part calmag

 

[janjan20]

Pictures?!!! Lol!! How exciting! Hope all goes well and looking forward to the updates

 

[Kaizen]

Pictures?!!! Lol!! How exciting! Hope all goes well and looking forward to the updates

So below are the three cages. Obviously they’re not their permanent homes, but as the babies are only 2”-3” total length, it’ll work for the winter. They’ll each get their own 4x4x6 in the spring.

 

[nightanole]

But but but how will you do 12 hours on and 12 hours off? Mass hysteria will ensue!

 

[Kaizen]

Please explain further

 

[janjan20]

Nice, so pretty much starting from scratch as babes. Males/females? Are they in a green house? I noticed the top of the pic looks different.

Edit: Are you keeping your current gutload regiment or adding extra stuff?

 

[Kaizen]

One boy, one girl, one I dunno yet. Yes, all my chams are in a greenhouse.

 

[kinyonga]

I hope it works. Guess I'll have to follow this thread to find out, eh?

 

[jamest0o0]

Why no preformed vitamin A? Earth pro A has no preformed. Are you just not a believer in it being necessary? Not criticizing, just curious!

 

[Kaizen]

I’m just trying to go no fat solubles. I’ve heard that panthers do not convert beta carotene to retinol, but there must be some method whereby chams get their A. And it can’t just be from the occasional vertebrate, because Brookesia, for instance, couldn’t do it. I’ve heard that snails have both D3 and A, but I have a suspicion that there are some carotenoids that can be converted by our chams. Again, this is just an experiment, and I’ll be working close with my vet. All three are booked for bloodwork in January to check levels. I’d do it now, but they’re pretty small. I make no claim whatsoever about the merits or dangers of this program, but I thought I’d like to generate a datum.

 

[jamest0o0]

I’m just trying to go no fat solubles. I’ve heard that panthers do not convert beta carotene to retinol, but there must be some method whereby chams get their A. And it can’t just be from the occasional vertebrate, because Brookesia, for instance, couldn’t do it. I’ve heard that snails have both D3 and A, but I have a suspicion that there are some carotenoids that can be converted by our chams. Again, this is just an experiment, and I’ll be working close with my vet. All three are booked for bloodwork in January to check levels. I’d do it now, but they’re pretty small. I make no claim whatsoever about the merits or dangers of this program, but I thought I’d like to generate a datum.

Very cool man, let us know.

Could it be that they're simply born with enough A to get them through their short lifespans? No idea, just guessing.

 

[coastal_chameleon]

One boy, one girl, one I dunno yet. Yes, all my chams are in a greenhouse.

how do you heat your green house ?

 

[Kaizen]

how do you heat your green house ?

Natural gas. But I should note that the 3000 gallon koi pond helps keep temps stable.

 

[Kaizen]

Very cool man, let us know.

Could it be that they're simply born with enough A to get them through their short lifespans? No idea, just guessing.

That’s interesting, because, as we know, our captives far outlive their wild counterparts, and so that might indicate the need for pre A. I dunno, but we’ll see. I’ll make the results known.

 

[jamest0o0]

Natural gas. But I should note that the 3000 gallon koi pond helps keep temps stable.

How big is your greenhouse?!

 

[JoXie411]

I’m just commenting Because I want to follow this thread

 

[Kaizen]

24x12x7 high. But I’m out of room already. Extension goes on this spring. Going to add 2 divided 10x10 sides that are separately temp controlled via thermostatically controlled fan. This for the (future) montagnes and any that require brumation.

 

[Tihshho]

I just want a tour of this greenhouse!

 

[coastal_chameleon]

I just want a tour of this greenhouse!
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24x12x7 high. But I’m out of room already. Extension goes on this spring. Going to add 2 divided 10x10 sides that are separately temp controlled via thermostatically controlled fan. This for the (future) montagnes and any that require brumation.

do you have any videos of your green house ?