Heartbroken Cham Mom..please give advice for possible future chams

I feed the greens to the dubias and crickets and then feed the insects to my chameleons- that's how they get the greens. I have tried to feed veggies to Veileds, but with limited success (although a few years ago I had one that loved cherry tomatoes). I would check Craigslist in your area for someone selling dubias. They are more expensive than crickets, but my adult chams are usually satisfied with 2-4 large dubias, plus a couple of super worms. When I feed them crickets, they need 15-20 or more for a decent meal. I also notice individual preferences- for example my female Oustalet's loves super worms, to the point that she will ignore crickets, so I have to be careful not to over feed her the worms as they tend to be high in fat but low in other nutrients.

I am working on establishing my own dubia colony- they breed slower than crickets so it is taking time to get going, but they don't smell like crickets do- a big advantage.

As far as a schedule, I feed them 3-6 times a week. If I'm going out of town for a few days I feed them heavily for a few days in a row before I go. That can buy me a 3-4 day period out of town if I need it. Because crickets are so ubiquitous in pet stores, any time I can feed them an alternate diet for 4-6 days without crickets I will. It prevents them from getting too bored with them.

I water at least once a day this time of year, but between waterings their enclosures dry out and humidity drops to between 20-40%. Unlike lizards that seek shelter underground when environmental conditions aren't suitable, chameleons live in bushes and trees during good weather and bad, 24/7. One day the temp could be 100, the next day 70. One day the humidity could be 80%, the next day 20%. Chameleons have evolved over millions of years to not just tolerate, but thrive in this variability. I believe it is essential to their psychological and physical well-being in the long-term. We already limit them to a cage what is much smaller than their natural environment; to keep them at a constant 50-60% humidity and 85 high/75 low every day is too limiting in the long term. It may keep them ok for a few weeks, but over months they need more variation than that. Just my opinion, but in my experience with chameleons the ones that stay outside part of the year do best-
 
I am so sorry for your loss of sweet little Pascal. You have received allot of good info in this thread to put you on a good start for a new chameleon. I see a few things that you would need to change to keep a new chameleon healthy. Along with what others have suggested I would suggest a larger cage and live plants. A 20 inch high cage would be good for a tiny baby but not a big healthy robust 3 month old veiled. I'm attaching my blog for new keepers. It had brought me great success with my young veileds and panthers. My blog has links to pictures of what all you need and where you can buy each item. Most supplies that you need for chameleons can not be found in local pet stores and must be ordered online.

Chameleons are very fragile, expensive to keep and high maintence animals. My advise to you is to read all you can here on the forums. There's a wealth of knowledge and information here. If you research and prepare and if you start with a healthy animal you should have great success the second go round.
https://www.chameleonforums.com/blo...-keepers-young-veiled-panther-chameleons.html

More great info here: https://www.chameleonforums.com/care/chameleons/
 
Pascal

I, too, am sorry for your loss. You might consider disinfecting your cage, and rinsing very well, before getting a new cham. You might check to see if your plants are suitable, that the cham cannot ingest the soil, and wash the plant, so no pesticide residue is on them.
Good luck.
 
I found out the hard way how fragile they are-but I also don't believe he was captive bred and therefore less hardy. He really wasn't any more expensive to keep than any of my other animals-especially my turtle who eats like a pig haha. They are more high maintenance, but I really feel once you get the hang of it it's not so bad..they're just so tender.

The thing I couldn't prove is that Pascal was 100% healthy when I bought him last November. I am in the process of a new cage and different fixture for my UVB light as my vet suggested getting a strip instead of a dome. I had a dome that reflected the light out, but probably not as well as a strip and I don't want to take chances.

Also, with suggestions of live plants, if I get a large cage, how do I keep these alive? I'm sure I'd have to order these because I don't think we have them at work. Where did you guys get yours and how do you maintain them?
 
I, too, am sorry for your loss. You might consider disinfecting your cage, and rinsing very well, before getting a new cham. You might check to see if your plants are suitable, that the cham cannot ingest the soil, and wash the plant, so no pesticide residue is on them.
Good luck.
Thank you, Leslie11. I really appreciate that.

I did disinfect after I removed him and buried him..I'm going to sell the current cage for a larger one and add some new plants. Also, I used repticarpet instead of soil because of the screen. It would spill out due to the fact there's no extra dip in the bottom of the cage to hold the soil. I used false plants, but many are mentioning to try a few live as well
 
It's best to keep the bottom of the cage bare. It's easier to clean and no bacteria to grow and harm your chameleon. I recommend the tube style UVB light Retpisun 5.0. There's a link in my blog where you can but it. I also have a section in my blog about plants. I will copy and paste it below. If you are going to buy a cage I recommend checking out Nick and Kyle at Canvas Chameleons. http://canvaschams.com/ they are really great people and custom make their cages and the prices are inline with everybody else. http://canvaschams.com/

You will need live plants for your cage to help keep up the humidity. I really like the Pothos it seems to hold the water for a long time and also does quite well inside. The Ficus and Schefflera also do great indoors. The Hibiscus is a favorite of the veileds but needs allot of light so your need to use hibiscus outside or have a couple to rotate from inside to outside for sun. Your plants will need to be washed and rinsed well and replanted before you use them. Use organic soil and buy large river rocks to cover the soil so your cham will not be able to eat the soil. Make sure the rocks are very large so the cham cannot eat the rocks.
 
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