help my baby panther is sleeping a lot today

[Queen]

I think (hope) that will make a difference. Also may I ask why you have him in a glass cage, rather than a fresh air screen cage?

to keep up humidity while he is a baby. when he reaches about 6 months I'll upgrade him to a large screen cage. The exo-terra is pretty good for raising babies it has decent air flow from the double door cage set-up. it also has holes bellow the glass door that provide ventilation.

 

[carol5208]

If you read all the posts, you would see that we know that your light offers both UVA and UVB. OBVIOUSLY something is most likely wrong with your husbandry there if your cham is sleeping during the day. That is an awful young panther you have there and all the conditions must be right in order to ensure his health. Also, is the top glass or screen?

 

[Seeco]

I don't think that light is ideal but if you don't want to hear it...

 

[carol5208]

Also, noticed you are dusting with Calcium w/d? you mean d3 I am assuming and how often are you doing this? Are you using calcium without d3? a multivitamin also?

 

[reptoman]

For a month old that power sun is way too hot. I would ditch the powersun and get a reptisun 5.0. Save the powersun for when he is quite a bit older. Baby panthers a month old should not be exceeding 80 degrees F. I have 19 1month olds now and i dont have to use a heat lamp at all. The dual bulb flourescents are enough to reach the 80F and they are in open top tubs. Thats keeping the thermostat at 76.

 

[carol5208]

For a month old that power sun is way too hot. I would ditch the powersun and get a reptisun 5.0. Save the powersun for when he is quite a bit older. Baby panthers a month old should not be exceeding 80 degrees F. I have 19 1month olds now and i dont have to use a heat lamp at all. The dual bulb flourescents are enough to reach the 80F and they are in open top tubs. Thats keeping the thermostat at 76.

It doesn't seem that she wants to listen to what anyone has to say. She asks for help and then tells everyone she knows what she is doing. In the mean time the chameleon suffers.

 

[JaxyGirl]

It doesn't seem that she wants to listen to what anyone has to say. She asks for help and then tells everyone she knows what she is doing. In the mean time the chameleon suffers.

I guess all we can do is give the best advice we can with the health of the cham in mind. That one month old baby needs to be treated with kid gloves and we have all advised the owner to exchange that too strong, too big, too bright and too hot spot light for the correct type of lighting suitable for her baby..Now it's up to the owner to hopefully take our advice and do the right thing for the health of her cham.

 

[carol5208]

Well said Jaxygirl!!!!

 

[Elizadolots]

Queen, I'm not an expert, but my understanding is that babies need lower temperatures and what you have here is a really young baby. Most people here won't even sell a chameleon that's not at least 3 months old.

I suggest you look at the breeding forum and see if you can get some help on the infant care.

I suspect your previous chameleon was not quite so young when you got him so the warmer temps were okay.

I wanted to mention that one thing that is good about having separate UVB and UVA sources is that you can reduce the heat without cutting back on the UVB. That's not a knock on using the "all in one" bulb, just a comment that the increased hardware requirements do have a positive tradeoff. I use an all in one (I've used that very bulb) and sometimes wish I hadn't started off that way.

 

[Gensen]

Ditto!!!

It doesn't seem that she wants to listen to what anyone has to say. She asks for help and then tells everyone she knows what she is doing. In the mean time the chameleon suffers.

Asking for help with a closed mind is a waste of everyones time and unfortunate for the Cham... I have been following this thread to see if this little guy would get some adjustments to his Husbandry but I see it's a no-go... so this will be my last comment here as it is just too frustrating...

 

[kinyonga]

What happened to the other chameleon you raised in that cage?

 

[carol5208]

What happened to the other chameleon you raised in that cage?

I was wondering the same thing!????

 

[Carlton]

Well, looks like the OP has disappeared. Too bad as this could have been fixed pretty easily. Even if she's lurking waiting to hear what she wants to hear I hope she at least experiments by moving the PowerSun away...and maybe her little cham will come out of hiding and prove us right. That's all that really matters...the cham, not human keeper egos.

 

[sandrachameleon]

Just thought Id mention that those exoterra terrariums are actually excellent for housing babies.

Im not saying anything about the MV lamp as I dont have much experience with them.

 

[Elizadolots]

Just thought Id mention that those exoterra terrariums are actually excellent for housing babies.

Im not saying anything about the MV lamp as I dont have much experience with them.

Well, we know that--despite what was posted--they do provide UVB, they have not been shown to cause blindness and there are people here who use them....

 

[reptoman]

Well, we know that--despite what was posted--they do provide UVB, they have not been shown to cause blindness and there are people here who use them....

You can ask any sponsor on this site about using a mercury vapor bulb for a baby panther and they will all tel you the same thing. Way too much for a baby. That is the central issue IMO. Save the powersun for later if thats what they want to do. Adults could be ok with that type light as long as it is monitored closely but for now that baby is going to continue to go downhill until the light is replaced.

 

[hun73r]

I agree with reptoman that it is probably too much UVB and heat for a baby in a small enclosure but I do not agree with others that say it is not a suitable light for chameleons. Many breeders and zoos use MVB bulbs with adult chameleons with great success but they do need to be setup correctly and monitored properly. In some cases (heavy screening and well planted enclosures) a MVB bulb is much more effective at providing UVB to the inhabitant than the highly used tube bulbs, but again this should be done cautiously and monitored with the proper equipment to ensure success.

For the baby in a small enclosure it would be much more beneficial to utilize a 5.0 tube bulb in combination with a lower wattage incandescent bulb for basking. The MVB runs very hot and it will be hard to get it far enough away to not cook the little guy but close enough to provide beneficial amounts of UVB.