HELP...possible MBD and broken bone

Slizzy22

Slizzy22

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Hello everyone,

My chameleons name is Slizzy, she is a 8-9 month old veild. I have had her for about 4 months now. She is growing nicely, is very active, and loves to eat. i have had reptiles before but she is my first chameleon. When I bought her they assured me that I didn't need a uvb light until she was one year old... Disputes that i just purchased a bigger cage so I went ahead and bought her the double light. Today I moved into my new apartment and the ride was rather long, and long the way I believe that she fell on her left side.... She has been limping ever since and the it is quite clear that they are broken :,( I cried and cried when I first saw her like this.she means a lot to me and go know that she is in pain flat out breaks my heart.. I don't know what to do so I turned to the forums and it is clear that she has MBD .... I would just like to know if you guys have any information that could help me care for her until Monday when the vet opens... I want to prevent any further discomfort or injury...


Please help
 
They need UVB from the day they are born, can you give us a description of the enclosure, feeding, supplements, and temp/humidity? Pics please too
 
I don't have any personal experience I'm just repeating things I've read on these forums in the past. Try to keep her cushioned on a towel, keep her hydrated by slowly dripping water on the end of her nose a couple times a day. Try to get her outside for some natural uvb tomorrow. Head to the vet asap. They can do remarkable things to halt MBD. She probably will have a very long happy life if you can turn things around now. Read up on the care sheets on this forum to learn about proper care. Jannb has a great blog for new keepers that lays out all the basic info you need. I'm not sure how to link it but hopefully someone else will chime in and link it for you. Good luck.
 
Thanks for answering guys. The vet close to here is currently closed so I have to wait till Monday and it's the only potential one that may treat her since she's exotic. Back home I had a variety of vets who cared for exotic pets but the closest one to me right now is in another state I switched her over to a cushioned little box as recommended with her lights on top... She hasn't moved position.. But I did manage to dust some crickets and meal worms this morning and places them by her mouth since she is having difficulty catching them on her own. I also gave her water as recommended. That's not what they told me at the store if I would have known I would have provided uv lighting sooner
 
image.jpg image.jpg her enclosure... The uv lighthouse is being used on her right now so it's not in the pic
 
Might she be gravid? She looks a little round. That might have made the MBD worse if she has eggs that are using up her calcium.
 
A couple of other things. I don't think you should leave her under the heat lamp for too long, unless she can crawl away. If she cannot move around, then do not leave her under continued heat. Have you even checked what the temperature is where she is laying?. Not to be mean here, but something to think about for the future when you purchase ANY animal. Don't always take the word of the seller that they are an expert with the species they are selling. Unless you know they are some type of respected breeder with years of experience, it is your responsibility as a pet owner to do your own research. We have a plethora of information right at our fingertips with the access of the internet. I am glad you found us, but wish you would have done this long ago and we could have steered you in the right direction. Also, what state and city do you live in? We might be able to help you find a vet in your area.
 
Can you please post a couple more pictures of her. I can't see the one you posted already clearly enough to see what I need to see.

When a chameleon has MBD its recommended that you give it some liquid calcium sandoz or gluconate until the blood calcium levels are back to normal and the bones are strong again. Lack of calcium can also affect muscles and other systems in the chameleon. It would be a good idea to see a good reptile vet ASAP.

Please answer the questions in the how to ask for help thread at the top of the health forum so we can help you better. Please be specific about the brands and kinds of supplements you use and how often for each. Please list what you feed/gutload the insects with too.
 
kinyonga said:
Can you please post a couple more pictures of her. I can't see the one you posted already clearly enough to see what I need to see.

When a chameleon has MBD its recommended that you give it some liquid calcium sandoz or gluconate until the blood calcium levels are back to normal and the bones are strong again. Lack of calcium can also affect muscles and other systems in the chameleon. It would be a good idea to see a good reptile vet ASAP.

Please answer the questions in the how to ask for help thread at the top of the health forum so we can help you better. Please be specific about the brands and kinds of supplements you use and how often for each. Please list what you feed/gutload the insects with too.
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Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - Yemen, female , age 10 months. Been in my care for 4 months.
Handling - Once a week or twice a week. (She's still getting use to me)
Feeding - Large crickets 6, mealworms 5, and wax worms 4. Once a day at 11am. How are you gut-loading your feeders: Flukers Orange cube.
Supplements - twice a week I dust her food with Repashy super foods calcium plus.
Watering - I have been spraying her 3-4 times a day manually, but have recently purchased the reptimiater automatic. Do you see your chameleon drinking. Yes, often.
Fecal Description - Moist droppings black with white parts. No she has never been tested.
History - she's always very active and loves eating. She has been growing just fine.

Cage Info:
Cage Type - reptibreez mesh , large.
Lighting - was using the zoomed repti basking spot lamp 75 watt... But just switched it over to the zoomed double light tropical uv and heat lighting kit. Reptisun 5.0 I be and the daylight blue 60 watt. lights come on when she wakes up at 10 and go off at 7-8 when she falls asleep.
Temperature - 70-80 degrees... Basking spot 85ish. lowest overnight 60. Petco thermometer
Humidity - 70-80... I make sure to spray it when it drops below. I measure it with the petcohumity reader.
Plants - all plastic 3 sets.
Placement - it was located on might nightstand by my bed about 2 feet off the floor. It is now located 3 feet off the floor away from any air vents.
Location - Illinois.

Current Problem - Broken arm and dislocated let after fall,.. Could be from mbd
 
I am currently in Carbondale Illinois for school... Can you guys help me find a vet that will see a chameleon... I tried and the closest is in another state
 
You should be dusting her food with calcium without d3 every feeding, and d3 and multivitamins every two weeks. And the orange cubes aren't that great you can gutload feeders with fruits and veggies
 
You need to adjust your supplementation and gut loading. Flukers cubes are worthless in terms of gut loading. Repashy makes a good gut load product. Others offer this in addition to fresh fruits and veggies. You need to dust your feeders (crix and roaches) with plain calcium every time you feed them to the cham. Most of the soft bodied feeders: hornworms, silkworms, butterworms are high enough in calcium that you don't need to dust them. Reptiworms, Calciworms or Phoenix worms are all the same insect: black soldier fly larva and they are very high in calcium plus the calcium to phosphorous ratio is perfect for chams. Twice a month instead of dusting with calcium you need to dust with multivitamins and twice a month you need to dust with calcium with Vitamin D3. I recommend you avoid mealworms and superworms, they are very high in fat and not much in nutrition. Another benefit from using soft bodied bugs like horns and silks is a very high moisture content. Calcium glubionate is an oral supplement that can help boost her calcium levels. But without adequate vitamin D3 and UVB light it doesn't matter how much calcium you give her as she won't metabolize it properly.

You need to adjust your lighting a bit as well. She should have 12 hours of light and 12 hours of total darkness. The only specialty light you need is the UV light. Heat can be provided by any incandescent light bulb.

Click on the following link which will take you to the care sheet for a veiled cham. https://www.chameleonforums.com/care/caresheets/veiled/
 
Bush baby said:
What specie is she?

Plus you said you kept reptiles before…all reptile need uvb from day one…..
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Many reptiles are nocturnal and do not require exposure to UVB. There is some debate about some day active herps needing it, but for any diurnal basking species I would always provide it for them just to be conservative.
 
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