Right so Bill does it on the metal shelving units that are like this. Then you build the shelving to the specs you need. You just have to find one that has the depth you need. But he does it where the top shelf is the one that the lighting sits on. Cage sits on a shelf below. https://www.lowes.com/pd/Style-Sele...VhY7ICh2X_AUZEAYYBSABEgK36fD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.dssounds good, i just have no idea how to mount a t5 fixture... it’s super weird