How to coax eggs out of female veiled 5 yr old

Schr9ck

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Fisher has been not eating for over a week and laid one egg yesterday and noone today. How long does this process take to lay eggs? I have an egg bin but she won't use it she wants to hang on the criss crossed vines overlapping at different heights it's where she spends 90% of her time and just let her first egg drop and hit the coconut substrate. Can I help her by lightly massaging her belly to help relax smooth muscles to induce early labor? I want these eggs out so she will eat! Hasn't eaten for over a week. Please and thankyou for advisory your help is appreciated! Love you guys in the chameleon forum you're lifesavers! Attached photos of egg bin and home and chameleon.
 

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It sounds like you are at a point where you should consult a vet.

I found this page:
http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=17+1796&aid=3010
There you can read:
Physical manipulation

Very experienced herpetologists or reptilian veterinarians may try gently applying pressure to produce the egg, after lubricating the cloaca. This must be done with extreme care since it could cause rupture of the reproductive tract, a prolapse (the reproductive tract is pushed through the cloaca inside out), and death. Some have advocated warm water baths, which may stimulate the production of the egg
So physical manipulation is one treatment, but without expertise you could easily cause more harm than good.

Another treatment is injecting oxytocin. Again where a vet is needed.

I hope things work out okay.
 
If your female doesn't lay the eggs you can try leaving her in the laying bin for longer but I would take her to a good chameleon vet at the first sign of a problem. Many of the females die from egg problems and live a shorter life than the males. If you get her to the vet in time a vet can give oxytocin to induce egg laying before she becomes egg bound. Several injections of oxytocin over several days might be needed. If she still doesn’t lay the eggs surgery is the only other alternative. Surgery is very risky but at this point it’s the only choice. If your female is healthy and your husbandry is right she shouldn't become egg-bound unless she has a reproductive system deformity, deformed eggs, etc.

Here's a few blogs that you might find helpful about egg laying, the laying bin, female veiled care and general veiled care.
https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/jannb/345-egg-laying-laying-bin.html
https://www.chameleonforums.com/laying-bin-set-up-educational-video-77225/
http://raisingkittytheveiledchameleon.blogspot.com/2007/12/keeping-female-veiled.html
https://www.chameleonforums.com/blo...-keepers-young-veiled-panther-chameleons.html
 
When a chameleon is close to laying eggs SHE NEEDS TO BE DISTURBED AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE so she can get on with it. The only exception to this is if she is headed towards eggbinding and then she needs to see a vet before she is too far gone.

IMHO you should not try to manipulate the eggs...you could rupture the eggs or damage the reproductive system, etc.

It's normal for the female not to eat when she is in late stages of reproduction and if she's healthy she won't die from it. You need to be more concerned that she gets through the egglaying process properly than about her not eating IMHO.
 
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She laid 2 more today since her 1st egg yesterday is it normal to be that slow? I think I felt 4 more eggs in her belly
 
She had a weird discharge when hanging from a vine here is a pic. Do u know if it's poo or broken egg? I can't tell!! :( I would go to the vet but I'm 22 and live with parents and they will not pay for a vet for my brother/sister chameleon but they take the dogs to the vet everytime they sneeze
 

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Hard to tell but that discharge looks like urates. If it is that would be a good sign that she is hydrated.

I agree a vet visit would be in order. Just curious about her care though. It looks like only a heat lamp and an open window for light. Do you have a UVB source? Is she suplemented with Ca, vit D, mutivitamin? At this time she does need to be hydrated so I would offer water. Don't worry about feeding until those eggs are out.

A question for the more experienced, if a female is weak would it help to have a preformed tunnel dug into the laying bin? If oxytocin is given do these females then dig a hole or do they just release their eggs anywhere?
 
Hard to tell but that discharge looks like urates. If it is that would be a good sign that she is hydrated.

I agree a vet visit would be in order. Just curious about her care though. It looks like only a heat lamp and an open window for light. Do you have a UVB source? Is she suplemented with Ca, vit D, mutivitamin? At this time she does need to be hydrated so I would offer water. Don't worry about feeding until those eggs are out.

A question for the more experienced, if a female is weak would it help to have a preformed tunnel dug into the laying bin? If oxytocin is given do these females then dig a hole or do they just release their eggs anywhere?

I always dig a tunnel for my females and often they use it. When oxytocin is used, if it works, they normally just drop the eggs anywhere.
 
One more thing about oxytocin...from what I understand it will only work within a certain time frame...close to the time she should/would normally lay the eggs.
 
Hard to tell but that discharge looks like urates. If it is that would be a good sign that she is hydrated.

I agree a vet visit would be in order. Just curious about her care though. It looks like only a heat lamp and an open window for light. Do you have a UVB source? Is she suplemented with Ca, vit D, mutivitamin? At this time she does need to be hydrated so I would offer water. Don't worry about feeding until those eggs are out.

A question for the more experienced, if a female is weak would it help to have a preformed tunnel dug into the laying bin? If oxytocin is given do these females then dig a hole or do they just release their eggs anywhere?
Yes she has a uva/b bulb right behind the basking bulb if u look very carefully she is watered very well but no eating. Normally I spray her food with this. I still have one question unanswered, how long does it take her to lay eggs if she doesn't look preggers? She's only laid 3 in the past day or 2 is that normal?
 

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Yes she has a uva/b bulb right behind the basking bulb if u look very carefully she is watered very well but no eating. Normally I spray her food with this. I still have one question unanswered, how long does it take her to lay eggs if she doesn't look preggers? She's only laid 3 in the past day or 2 is that normal?

No that is not normal. Normally they dig a hole about 10 to 12 inches deep, then turn around and lay all the eggs and then cover them. After completely finished with covering and patting down the soil they return to their branches starving.
 
No that is not normal. Normally they dig a hole about 10 to 12 inches deep, then turn around and lay all the eggs and then cover them. After completely finished with covering and patting down the soil they return to their branches starving.

Okay my parents will not let me take something to the vet as what did they put it "insignificant as a lizard." It's cruel and breaks my heart. I'm prepared for her to die as a well cared for fed watered and loved 5 year old chameleon. I feel like strangling her puppy and calling it insignificant in front of her but I'm not a cruel sadist. I love all animals furry and feathery and scaly
 
Okay my parents will not let me take something to the vet as what did they put it "insignificant as a lizard." It's cruel and breaks my heart. I'm prepared for her to die as a well cared for fed watered and loved 5 year old chameleon. I feel like strangling her puppy and calling it insignificant in front of her but I'm not a cruel sadist. I love all animals furry and feathery and scaly

You should give her to a rescue that would get her the treatment that she needs. Call Elisa at ChamEO. http://www.chameo.org/
 
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