How to distinguish the gender of Rainbow Jackson and Veiled Chameleon?

[Lazykun]

I recently purchased a Rainbow Jackson Pair and Veiled Chameleon male from the Underground Reptile Online Shop.
But I have problems with their gender.

First I bought a Rainbow Jackson pair, but I think that I got two males.
I know that Rainbow Jackson's females also have horns, but I know it has a very short.
But they're perfectly the same color, and both have pretty long, straight horns.
The large chameleon what they said to be male is 9 inches long, and the length of the horn is 3/4 inches.

what they said to be female, are as small as 7 inches long and have horns about 1/2 inch.

The reason I think they are all males, they both have a small lump at the base of their tail.

And also, i bought the male Veiled Chameleon either.
But.. it looks like female to me.

they said it is male.
but i can't find a any bumps on the backs of his(?) hind legs.
funniest thing is they said "There was no sex chosen for the 12+ inch veiled"


Regardless of whether there is a choice or not, it is already marked as male there with photos too.
it's a all about the male.

after then now they are telling me they sent me a male.

I don't know what's going on right now.
The chameleons arrived with signs of severe dehydration with sunken in eyes.
They haven't been drinking water properly for at least a week.

I need your advice, please help.
Are they really a pair and males?

Tell me anytime if you need more photos

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

You may want to have a word with the owner. That definitely looks to be a female Veiled Chameleon with the tarsal spurs. Plus your Trioceros jacksonii jacksonii pair looks to be 2.0. The specimen that could possibly be a female has thick horns and male coloration. This is a link to one of my threads with a couple types of female Trioceros jacksonii jacksonii.

https://www.chameleonforums.com/threads/a-greenhouse-trioceros-surprise-2.177261/

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[NashansCamos]

You're not the first one that has had problems with underground reptiles. I've seen some other threads about wrong age and unhealthy and mixed gender chams from underground reptiles.

As for the jacksons, I don't know(@JacksJill)

As for the veiled, it looks like a female

 

[NashansCamos]

It's a challenge to start off with unhealthy chameleons, but we can help you. Read through all of this https://chameleonacademy.com/veiled-chameleon-care/ for your veiled and this https://chameleonacademy.com/the-jacksons-chameleon-trioceros-jacksonii/ for your jacksons. Also please fill out this form so we can help you and your chams.

 

[NashansCamos]

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[JoshOfTheJungle]

Looks like a female veiled and two male jax. The females for these can have three horns but they’re normally not as thick/full. Also those are male colors. Females would have more breakup pattern and lacking the yellow stripe, from my experience

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

You may want to have a word with the owner. That definitely looks to be a female Veiled Chameleon with the tarsal spurs. Plus your Trioceros jacksonii jacksonii pair looks to be 2.0. The specimen that could possibly be a female has thick horns and male coloration. This is a link to one of my threads with a couple types of female Trioceros jacksonii jacksonii.

https://www.chameleonforums.com/threads/a-greenhouse-trioceros-surprise-2.177261/

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

Pardon me without the tarsal spurs.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[Brodybreaux25]

Am I the only one who’s never heard of a “Rainbow” Jackson’s?

 

[JoshOfTheJungle]

Am I the only one who’s never heard of a “Rainbow” Jackson’s?

Jax Jax

 

[AmandaS]

Am I the only one who’s never heard of a “Rainbow” Jackson’s?

Thats how they label them at my local reptile shop. Idk why though!! You'd be expecting panther coloration with that description.

 

[Brodybreaux25]

Jax Jax

I know what species it is lol

But have never heard someone call them that, makes total sense Underground is the author of this joke?

 

[Lazykun]

You may want to have a word with the owner. That definitely looks to be a female Veiled Chameleon with the tarsal spurs. Plus your Trioceros jacksonii jacksonii pair looks to be 2.0. The specimen that could possibly be a female has thick horns and male coloration. This is a link to one of my threads with a couple types of female Trioceros jacksonii jacksonii.

https://www.chameleonforums.com/threads/a-greenhouse-trioceros-surprise-2.177261/

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

Thanks for you opinion
But they both can have a small lump at the base of their tail also?
I have circled it in red.

 

[Lazykun]

Thats how they label them at my local reptile shop. Idk why though!! You'd be expecting panther coloration with that description.

Exactly!
When I received the chameleon, I was very surprised because it was so different from the image I imagined.
They said "There was no sex chosen for the 12+ inch veiled", but as you can see there is already marked as male with photos.
It doesn't matter there is a choice or not because it is a fixed thing lol

 

[JacksJill]

The lump you are looking for is directly behind the one you have circled. Female jack Jacks come in a variety of colors from almost masculine to mottled to redish. The pictures aren't perfect for I'd but I would think they are males. Females have tails that are thinner at that point while the males have a bulge you can also see from above looking down a little. These are likely wild caught. If you don't see a bulge they can still be male but not yet mature. Someone half joking once said they weren't sure they were female until they gave birth.
I have a few young females available if you decide you want one. PM me.
If you do decide to keep these get them checked for parasites.

 

[Lazykun]

The lump you are looking for is directly behind the one you have circled. Female jack Jacks come in a variety of colors from almost masculine to mottled to redish. The pictures aren't perfect for I'd but I would think they are males. Females have tails that are thinner at that point while the males have a bulge you can also see from above looking down a little. These are likely wild caught. If you don't see a bulge they can still be male but not yet mature. Someone half joking once said they weren't sure they were female until they gave birth.
I have a few young females available if you decide you want one. PM me.
If you do decide to keep these get them checked for parasites.

Can you show me what angle of photo can know the gender.
Sorry to bother you.

 

[JacksJill]

I need to see more of the tail. Your thumb is blocking in the first photo and there is a shadow in the second. So basically pictures of the tail straight out as much as possible.

 

[jacksonchamnew]

Can 2 male Jackson chams be together? Veil looks like female.

 

[JacksJill]

No they can not be together the stress will slowly kill them if the fighting doesn't. Even males and females can not be house together except for briefly for mating.

 

[Lazykun]

I need to see more of the tail. Your thumb is blocking in the first photo and there is a shadow in the second. So basically pictures of the tail straight out as much as possible.

This chameleons is they claim to be females.
I'm sorry, he's taking shedding now.
Total Length: 7 inch
Length from head to body excluding tail: 3 inch

 

[Lazykun]

No they can not be together the stress will slowly kill them if the fighting doesn't. Even males and females can not be house together except for briefly for mating.

And this is the male chameleons they claim to be males.
I think he is 100% male.
Total Length: 9 inch
Length from head to body excluding tail: 4 inch