Will Hayward
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We hold chameleons up high because we find them so interesting, but in my opinion, their own survival from other predators is just another thing to be fascinated about.
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Chameleons Northwest
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Well, I guess you could say the chameleon was gut-loaded.
LOL,
its sad, but apart of nature. I am just glad my cham was not eatten
Marc10edora
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I saw a worse one with a constricer. The chameleon looked like he was gonna pop when the snake got to him.
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chameloman72
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Your link doesn't work?? Ok works now!! I hate snakes myself!!
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Dyesub Dave
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Nice video
I was a little surprised to hear National Geographic say, "The chameleon has skin that takes on the color of its surroundings".
Yeah ... I though that was strange too!! You'd think that THEY would know that's not the case!!
Ahhhh .... the circle of life. Cruel but necessary. I hate feeding mice to my snakes but that's the way it has to be. To quote Dennis Leary ...."The problem is we only want to save the CUTE animals! What are you .... I'm an otter .... and what do you do .... I do cute little human tricks with my hands .... you're free to go! What are you ... I'm a cow ... no you're a baseball glove get on the truck!" LOL
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Dankmeleon
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maybe they just meant when its hiding it can turn dark brown or really green depending on if they are on wood or foliage.... as opposed to strictly mood dictated which seems to be the scientific reasoning...perhaps it may be both to some degree
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Dyesub Dave
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Perhaps ... but everything that I've read about chameleons states that they change colour depending on their mood not their surroundings. Mabye in reality it's a bit of both?
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Dankmeleon
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sorry I edited this because I messed this post up my post is underneath, thanks and I apologize
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Dankmeleon
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I have certainly heard both, and in my experience I'm pretty sure I've observed both to a degree(def more so mood though)....I agree it probably is stress or mood changes that causes it, but on some level I always question why they don't go dark in green foliage as often, common sense would tell me its mostly mood...but like I said its been my observation that they go dark around wood and branches and light around foliage, at least to a small degree...perhaps other knowledgable folks can share there experience because I knwo the general science consensus is their color is mood variable and dictated....also my chams usually(all the time) sleep in there bright colors....is this because they are comfy and having nice cham dreams, or is this because they are trying to blend in with the foliage in their vulnerable sleep?
Will Hayward
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Heres something I posted in another thread...
Dankmeleon
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thanks great post!
Dyesub Dave
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My younger male Veiled cham. used to display bright greens/yellows all the time until I took the females out of his enclosure. He is now brown most of the time except when he is sleeping. He never seems to change to match his surroundings. At night he's on a brown branch in the open and his colours are green!!
However I generally have a hard time finding my other chameleons amongst the foliage in their enclosures. If I put my older male out in the sun he flattens his body and the part facing the sun turns almost black and the side away from the sun is bright lime green. So obviously this is to retain as much body heat as possible. It's very cool to see him totally opposite colours on each side.
Strange though .... do panther chameleons live in areas where there is a lot of bright reds, oranges, blues ... etc. Because they are one of the most colourful chameleons that I've seen but I can't picture them blending in too much. Perhaps they're surrounded by bright flowers?
Dyesub Dave.
However I generally have a hard time finding my other chameleons amongst the foliage in their enclosures. If I put my older male out in the sun he flattens his body and the part facing the sun turns almost black and the side away from the sun is bright lime green. So obviously this is to retain as much body heat as possible. It's very cool to see him totally opposite colours on each side.
Strange though .... do panther chameleons live in areas where there is a lot of bright reds, oranges, blues ... etc. Because they are one of the most colourful chameleons that I've seen but I can't picture them blending in too much. Perhaps they're surrounded by bright flowers?
Dyesub Dave.
Will Hayward
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Based entirely alone on the book by Gary Ferguson detailing the panther chameleon and its geographical variations, No. There are plenty of green leaves and little of other colour except for possibly a more yellow tint.
However, even with some panther's gaudy colours, they can prove very difficult to find even in the green foliage of their cages. Personal observation.
Also, it may be possible that chameleons with the bright colours like panthers, have less predators specifically hunting them, or another thought, maybe the extremely colour and bright species like c. tigris could be playing off the old, "I'm so colourful that I'm probably toxic" trick. Though I have come across no supporting infor for my thoughts/teories.
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Dankmeleon
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Its very obvious that panther chams are one of the most artistic displays of nature.... I have no way to conceptualize how on earth they developed colors like that through natural adaptation. You usually see similaries in different types of species...but the only thing I can equate with the bright colors of a panther are tropical fish birds maybe some insects...but certainly not to the degree of the panther
so I guess my question is, do you think the panther developed such crazy colors as a defense mechanism like look at me i taste terrible much like the monarch butterfly or the warning colors of a yellow jacket as opposed to other types of chameleons which appear to have more natural coloration
or is there something else that I'm missing
so I guess my question is, do you think the panther developed such crazy colors as a defense mechanism like look at me i taste terrible much like the monarch butterfly or the warning colors of a yellow jacket as opposed to other types of chameleons which appear to have more natural coloration
or is there something else that I'm missing
