I hope his leg isnt broke

[richpass6]

too much D3 for an adult cham is not needed (only like once every 2 weeks) and can be a problem if used eccesivly at adult age but for a 4 month old cham, 3d is necessary for its development for at least 4 more months (8-9 months) before cutting back. i used D3 and i know others who agree that it is healthy for a juvenile especially when he is cooped up in his cage all winter but that shouldn't matter. too much calcium isn't going to trigger MBD, not enough will though..

your best bet is a visit to the vet and that will answer all your questions and solve all problems. although it may be a bit much for test etc.. wlel worth is for a baby cham. whatever damage is done, at least you can prevent any more from occurring. good luck!

 

[jonr]

well i got the lower watt light and he is basking under it for about a hour or so and is loving it so im happy with that.. I got ahold of FLCHAMS and he said he would send me another one to be on the safe side.. I want to wait to see how my lil guy responds first before i request him to send me another one.. What a great company though i have no regrets with buying from him at all... Im still working are to correct his issue thanks again folks

 

[Cham Fan]

may i ask what brought you into that situation of gout? were you heavily supplimenting with vitamins and/or d3, or heavily feeding for some lengthly time? edema and gout can be caused by this from my understanding. this case seems to be different seeing as he dusts heavily with d3 but does not provide other vitamins and minerals. just my 2cents

This personally was NOT my leo, but one that presented on the leo forum I frequent. I included the link to the conversation so you can see the aprticulars. I do have great fact sheets on Gout tho:

http://www.angelfire.com/al/repticare2/page21.html

http://www.anapsid.org/kidney.html

http://www.triciaswaterdragon.com/gout.htm this one touches on pseudogout (pseudogout being a build up of calcium insted of uric acids).

I have also heard that it can come from too much supplimentation of Vit. D(3)/calcium with D3 is usually the more overly used one that can cause this in combination with dehydration. the D3 is very hard for the kidneys to process "excess vitamin D3 supplementation) that may indicate the potential for renal disease. ...In chronic renal disease, there will often be husbandry (low humidity, mild long-term water deprivation/chronic low grade dehydration) or nutritional factors (high protein diets, excess vitamin D3 supplementation) that may indicate the potential for renal disease. These animals tend to have a history of reduced appetite, poor weight gain or weight loss, and occasionally increased drinking in the animal. On physical exam the animals are usually of poor body condition, dehydrated, and may have some abdominal pain." http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=17+1796&aid=3317

Think of D3 like a magnet for calcium... a body can't process calcium with out D3 but if you have an excess of it, it's like a magnet attracting metal shavings if ya know what I mean, hence the calcium deposits.

Too much calcium may not trigger mbd but it could trigger pseudogout. For the op, if this is gout or pseudogout it is lifelong. It is not cureable but manageable so you will need to get a diagnosis I think or if the seller is offering a replacement you may want to seriously consider taking it unless you're devoted to treating this disease which can flair up at any time (IF this is truly what your cham is suffering from) during the life of your cham.