I know this is dumb but is it possible?
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chameleoman
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i think it is possible, have you seen splice? in the movie they mix a bunch of different animals genetics until they get a good combination, and make a baby out if it and its born in a sac. so if it was real i would try it with different species of chameleons
alex arango
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that a veiled and a panther or carpet can crossbreed?
I know I'm not the only person to think of this but yea always wondered,
sorry if its been discussed prior and I couldn't find it in the hundred plus pages of topics
i dont know about a vieled with a panther or carpet would work but a Graceful Chameleon and a Veiled Chameleon can have babies and the eggs will hatch. from what i have heard its only been done once but its on the market yet
DanSB
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Until someone tries I don't think we can say it isn't possible but if it does happen there might need to be some taxonomic adjustments.
My instinct would be that you're likely to be able to get crosses within the same Genus and much less likely in the same sub-family with different Genus and even less likely as differences move up the taxonomic chart.
It is only impossible if the the method of reproduction is not compatible or if there are significantly different genomes.
My instinct would be that you're likely to be able to get crosses within the same Genus and much less likely in the same sub-family with different Genus and even less likely as differences move up the taxonomic chart.
It is only impossible if the the method of reproduction is not compatible or if there are significantly different genomes.
PREACHAP
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The jacksons and veiled would be cool, a veiled with panther colors would blow my frickin mind. I wanna know how or where that canadian cham site got those black colored female veileds with the color spots and dots. I've actually inquired to that site specifically about them.
Thanks for all your input's'
Thanks for all your input's'
the female would decide which it was. if it were to happen
i agree. i want to see one with a circular tie-dye pattern
Olimpia
Biologist & Ecologist
All those are are gravid females. Female veileds carrying eggs will take on a black background with their normal blue and mustard spots when stressed (or sometimes all the time, but mine was green when gravid unless she got pissed).
PREACHAP
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I see olimpia, I had seen them before on there and was truly enthralled by that color scheme on the female, Cause I've seen alot of colors, gravid or not. pictures by people on here and elsewhere and have not seen alot like that. maybe they are more common then I think. thanks
DekuScrub
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i think you meant "have mated" not "bred" breeding suggests insemination occurred and the eggs were fertilized. as you know females produce eggs regardless of having been mated. so you cant chalk up the production of eggs as a direct effect of mating, thou you could assume insemination may incite hormonal changes causing them to ovulate.
not trying to be an ass just trying to clear up potential confusion, if it were that the eggs had been fertilized but they failed to hatch they i would definitely say "bred"
unlikely, if you had a full genetic code you could use an animal of a separate species as a surrogate mother. like jurassic park with the ostrich eggs. the ostriches genes wont effect development its just acts as a vessel.
if you introduce a gravid female veiled to another chameleon male or not they will display that coloration. or if theyre stressed like olypia said, or shortly before/during depositing eggs.
if hybrids were to occur id have to say at the very least thye would have to be in the same genus if not VERY VERY closely related genera.
like maybe a verrucosus and a panther or a panther and an oustalets.
or maybe a jacksonii merumontus and a werneri, but i wouldnt think a jacksonii and a melleri or a hoehnelii would be compatible just based on physical appearance. even though theyre all categorized as trioceros.
but we do know gracefuls and veileds can make it happen. so ya kever know till ya try. thou i dont recommend trying lol.
DanSB
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If you really wanted to get technical you couldn't use either as "Mated" generally refers to getting together to Breed and "bred" would be after fertilization. So I think the technical term might just have to be "Humping"
The other thing to keep in mind is most taxonomic classification is not based on Genetic information yet. I believe there are some steps being made in that direction but unless I am horribly out of date most of the current taxonomic data is still based on physical traits. That could mean that some chameleons that weren't expected to be could be close enough genetically to actually produce offspring.
But ultimately I think you're right in that the Genus would at least have to be the same before there was a possibility they could mate and not just hump.
CamiGirl89
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I think this was a silly correction.... Lol. I agree with it technically being called "Humping"!
Olimpia
Biologist & Ecologist
There is actually a fair amount of genetic work with chameleons as far as taxonomy. I just did a project for a conservation genetics class and found at least a handful of papers that used mtDNA to classify species of chameleons. Now, whether those changes were put into place I don't know, but the work is there.
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