I need som ideas :( and help

[VeiledChams]

I don´t think so. Those Exo Terras are not suited for most chameleons as they really need high ventilation because they have really sensitive lungs and get sick easily.
I´d say an adult male veiled should at least have 5ft hight.
Why don´t you build a new cage by yourself?
That´s nor really hard to do and not expensive.

What you are saying is completely wrong. Exoterra cages were designed specifically with ventilation in mind. They use the simple idea that hot air rises. As the basking bulb heats up the air inside the enclosure, it rises and creates a vacuum inside. This vacuum sucks air in through the holes on the bottom creating the ventilation. As long as there is a temperature gradient between the inside and outside, you will have airflow inside the enclosure.

Please dont state what you are not sure of because you will lead others to believe false things.

As far as height, veileds can be housed in a 2x2x4' enclosure. And him being in Canada where temperatures are low, an all glass enclosure of the size he has mentioned is appropriate. Kinyonga has successfully kept chameleons in all glass cages for 20+ years, so I have no doubt about it being an appropriate enclosure.

 

[lumbasammler]

(as long as you have a good size viv/cage with good ventilation and the right temps and humidity it doesn't really matter what it's made from)

That´s right.
Some people even succesfully build enclosures from styrofoam or styrodur which is in most cases covered with this grout-like glue which is normally used in the bathroom to fix tiles.
You simply need to make sure it´s waterproof and stable.

 

[lumbasammler]

What you are saying is completely wrong. Exoterra cages were designed specifically with ventilation in mind. They use the simple idea that hot air rises. As the basking bulb heats up the air inside the enclosure, it rises and creates a vacuum inside. This vacuum sucks air in through the holes on the bottom creating the ventilation. As long as there is a temperature gradient between the inside and outside, you will have airflow inside the enclosure.

Please dont state what you are not sure of because you will lead others to believe false things.

As far as height, veileds can be housed in a 2x2x4' enclosure. And him being in Canada where temperatures are low, an all glass enclosure of the size he has mentioned is appropriate. Kinyonga has successfully kept chameleons in all glass cages for 20+ years, so I have no doubt about it being an appropriate enclosure.

Could it be that you missed the second page?
I´m sorry i can´t always certanly express what i want to say, my english just seems to be not good enough to do so.

 

[VeiledChams]

I´m sorry i can´t always certanly express what i want to say, my english just seems to be not good enough to do so.

Dont worry about your english, its not my first language either.. its my third. I am working on learning german now. Ich spreche ein bißchen Deutsch

 

[lumbasammler]

Dont worry about your english, its not my first language either.. its my third. I am working on learning german now. Ich spreche ein bißchen Deutsch

Wow that´s great!
I also speak a tiny bit french and spanish but i couldn´t even order food if i had to in France or Spain
Did you see that what i wrote on the first page was some kind of a misunderstanding?

 

[VeiledChams]

Wow that´s great!
I also speak a tiny bit french and spanish but i couldn´t even order food if i had to in France or Spain
Did you see that what i wrote on the first page was some kind of a misunderstanding?

As long as the person asking the questions understands correctly, its all good. I said the above because there have been many people that state that all glass cages are bad, which is not true. I just wanted to rectify it.. If it was a misunderstanding on my part, now the OP knows how the cages get their ventilation haha

I speak Spanish as a first language, I used to speak fluent German before I moved to the US, then I learned English and never spoke German again, so I forgot it. I am now digging through my memory and learning it all over again. I am half Colombian and half German (my dad's family is all German), so I have to speak the language.

 

[fluxlizard]

I wish I could read german. Lots of good info on lizards in german.
I even bought a book on chameleons in german when the author was here one year- it's autographed to me in german LOL "chamaeleons im terrarium" all I can do is pick through for the highlights like temperatures. I downloaded a few nice articles by the german chameleon breeding league on breeding melleri and oustallets but they must be defunct- I can no longer find the articles online..

 

[lumbasammler]

As long as the person asking the questions understands correctly, its all good. I said the above because there have been many people that state that all glass cages are bad, which is not true. I just wanted to rectify it.. If it was a misunderstanding on my part, now the OP knows how the cages get their ventilation haha

I speak Spanish as a first language, I used to speak fluent German before I moved to the US, then I learned English and never spoke German again, so I forgot it. I am now digging through my memory and learning it all over again. I am half Colombian and half German (my dad's family is all German), so I have to speak the language.

Sounds great! Unfortunately i only had spanish for one year, which was about 3 years ago and i´ve never used it since, french is even 5 years or so in the past
But back to topic:
I still think that it´s better to exchange one side or the front of a glass cage with a mesh-frame.
It´s simply safer and i see no reason to take the risk of not doing so.
Also my statement from above that chameleon need more fresh air than other lizards is not causeless.
I know 2 vets in a german forum who also recommend this.
One of them has great experience in keeping chams and is also specialized on them as a vet.
It seems like he has had quite some chams with lung problems due to insufficient ventilation.

 

[jessica]

Here is a thread made by Chris Anderson it has some good pictures and information. If nothing it makes for a good read

https://www.chameleonforums.com/everyone-who-knows-you-cant-keep-chams-glass-31937/

 

[lindawaz]

Since the OP is the owner of the cage and has been given information both Pro and Con the decision is now theirs and theirs alone.

The question they had was about Drainage- period. Not if they should use the cage.

If they need more info on the Drainage they can ask again. As for the debating which one must be used in anyones opinion you should start your own thread and not clutter his about drainage- Just my humble opinion

 

[popcan666]

yes that is my main problem is drainage. is there anyway to do something without cutting the glass i heard a few things about soil considering i will have a good amount of live plants/trees

side note thanks for all your help guys im getting a lot of useful info here

 

[lindawaz]

That article that Chris wrote is saying not needing a lot of misting, Having the dripper and something to catch it may just work out for you. You might have to wipe it out before bedtime.

I would see how it works before you get your cham- test run (the humidity levels)

who knows you may not need a special drainage.
I would also maybe PM kinyonga since they use these cages and has beautiful healthy Chams

 

[popcan666]

That article that Chris wrote is saying not needing a lot of misting, Having the dripper and something to catch it may just work out for you. You might have to wipe it out before bedtime.

I would see how it works before you get your cham- test run (the humidity levels)

who knows you may not need a special drainage.
I would also maybe PM kinyonga since they use these cages and has beautiful healthy Chams

thats what i was going to do

Try different set ups to find out what works and the heating and everything is fine before i buy my veiled

Thanks everyone for your help im glad i found this website

 

[Goggles]

thats what i was going to do

Try different set ups to find out what works and the heating and everything is fine before i buy my veiled

Thanks everyone for your help im glad i found this website

I find that it takes a while for my guys to start drinking sometimes so the shorter misting times are probably not a good option.
I am also in Ontario and I use screen cages. One is custom and the other two are Reptibreeze. I have not had any issues with heat and humidity through the winter months. I use a mistking and mist 3 times a day. 5-6 minutes in the morning and late afternoon and 2-3 minutes for humidity mid afternoon. All are healthy and hydrated.
I have one large custom cage with a veiled in it. I have a stainless pan in the bottom of that one and need to clean excess water out frequently even with two large live plants.
Some keepers have put the cage on a slight slant from back to front with a catch pan at the front. I'm not familiar with the exo so if it is sealed on the bottom this may not work for you.
Great idea to sort this all out before you bring him/her home.
I may be able to help you with some feeders as well. PM me if you are interested.

 

[popcan666]

Would a XL reptibreeze with 3 sides Plexiglas glued over be good the size is 24" x 24" x 48"

Would that be good for a veiled or jackson and is there a good way to use a drainage system on that?

 

[fluxlizard]

I find that it takes a while for my guys to start drinking sometimes so the shorter misting times are probably not a good option.

That is why when I used glass enclosures I misted only a couple of times a day for a short duration mainly for humidity reasons, and then used a drip system and a catch bowl to provide 30 minutes or so of drinkable drip. I didn't use drains and had no problem. My setups were spartan compared to Chris Andersons though- I used newspaper substrate, dry branches for climbing and basking, and pothos vines the ended up growing and filling the enclosures and grew on the dry branches for greenery.

 

[SilverDragoness]

I've got an exoterra for my veiled and it has been working well. Granted I've only had him for 4 months but I haven't had any issues with him. He's a healthy active boy with a great appetite. The ventilation seems to be fine for him. I've got live plants that are potted with large river rocks on top of the soil to cover it to prevent ingestion. They have the little base things that hold the water in. With them being green and having both live and some fake plants it seems to do really well and I don't have a lot of water spotting anywhere. Just a thought because live plants really class up a chameleon cage ya know.