I want honest opinions please...

[Drakonia13]

Say you have a new 2gram Panther Male. You feed him daily and dust with calcium daily except his day of arrival in which case you use Calcium with D3. You also feed your crickets carrots, and Fulkers cricket food to gut load. You didn't the first feeding but did so each day following. About one week after he's arrived, he goes into shed. It's a VERY hard shed. Even assisting you have trouble helping him to remove it and it never fully comes off before he passes from too much stress in a two week time frame. (Shipping, environment change, hard shed, etc.)

When you contact the breeder about the situation, they tell you that you weren't supplementing properly which caused the hard shed. Keep in mind the shed occurred after one week of his arrival.

I'm not attacking the breeder, I just want to understand if I really killed my little guy so I can move on.

 

[chameleonkev]

Simple answer is no you didn't, even without suplimenting I wouldn't expect a healthy chameleon to die in 2 weeks, it may be down to something else, was the Cham eating and drinking? But it sounds to me that you were sold a unhealthy chameleon

 

[ReptileLove18]

i personally dont feel that a weeks worth of supplements could cause a bad shed.. i think being stressed out from being shipped and moved into a new home could have caused a bad shed but not supplementing. how old was he? if he was too young to be shipped that would have caused more stress too

 

[ReptileLove18]

Simple answer is no you didn't, even without suplimenting I wouldn't expect a healthy chameleon to die in 2 weeks, it may be down to something else, was the Cham eating and drinking? But it sounds to me that you were sold a unhealthy chameleon

i agree completely.. i think the breeder said what they said because they knew the cham shouldnt have died like that and that it was unhealthy from the getgo...

 

[Rottsko]

Say you have a new 2gram Panther Male. You feed him daily and dust with calcium daily except his day of arrival in which case you use Calcium with D3. You also feed your crickets carrots, and Fulkers cricket food to gut load. You didn't the first feeding but did so each day following. About one week after he's arrived, he goes into shed. It's a VERY hard shed. Even assisting you have trouble helping him to remove it and it never fully comes off before he passes from too much stress in a two week time frame. (Shipping, environment change, hard shed, etc.)

When you contact the breeder about the situation, they tell you that you weren't supplementing properly which caused the hard shed. Keep in mind the shed occurred after one week of his arrival.

I'm not attacking the breeder, I just want to understand if I really killed my little guy so I can move on.

wow. so two weeks after you got your new cham he died? what did the person you bought him from say?

 

[Rottsko]

i just saw your thread that you started asking for help. looking at the pic, your cham was sick before he even got to you. i'd call the person you bought him from and try and get your money back. that's terrible customer service.

 

[Psychobunny]

Sounds to me like the seller knew or suspected the little guy would not make it but wanted to make a sale anyway and keep his/her fingers crossed that it lives long enough to complete the transaction and turn around and blame it's death on you to avoid having to give your $$ back.

I would threaten to expose this person in public forums if he/she did not completly refund your money ASAP

 

[Drakonia13]

, was the Cham eating and drinking?

He was until the shed started. After, no. I got him to drink twice and then took him the vet and shots and force feeding ensued with no luck.

how old was he? if he was too young to be shipped that would have caused more stress too

His hatch date stated Dec 7-12

I don't know how to re-post the picture of him the day I got him.

 

[Rottsko]

so what did the person you bought him from say about the situation? is he not going to give you a full/partial refund, replacement cham, etc.? i really would get in touch w/ him/her and share your side of the story and see what happens. i'll post the pic of your cham that you're trying to repost. if the seller doesn't see this pic as a sick cham then he/she do not know what they're doing.

 

[ReptileLove18]

he was too young to be shipped most definitely and the breeder knew he was ill before he shipped him.. i believe you should try to get your money back.

have peace of mind that you did not hurt this baby cham, the breeder sold him to you in bad shape... if you do decide to get another baby cham there are many good breeders we can help get you in touch with to get you a healthy happy baby

 

[Drakonia13]

To be fair, that picture is after the shed. I don't know how to link the other picture I posted ...heck I'm not even sure how you did it lol. When I began having problems I emailed the breeder and they sent me a list of questions to answer to help find out what the problem was and encouraged me to take him to a Vet which I was already doing. I didn't immediately answer their questions because at the time I was running back and forth to the animal hospital and dealing with family matters. After he died, I filled it out because they asked to see if they could help figure out what happened, and after reading my answers, they told me my supplementing caused the bad shed and how to correct it in the future and offered their condolences.

 

[Rottsko]

To be fair, that picture is after the shed. I don't know how to link the other picture I posted ...heck I'm not even sure how you did it lol. When I began having problems I emailed the breeder and they sent me a list of questions to answer to help find out what the problem was and encouraged me to take him to a Vet which I was already doing. I didn't immediately answer their questions because at the time I was running back and forth to the animal hospital and dealing with family matters. After he died, I filled it out because they asked to see if they could help figure out what happened, and after reading my answers, they told me my supplementing caused the bad shed and how to correct it in the future and offered their condolences.

to re-post a pic, click on the pic that you posted and get the url of the pic. then click on the insert image button in the reply section and paste the pic url.

the person you bought him from is reaching for anything to make an excuse. you deserve to have your money refunded. just my 2 cents.

 

[Rango3d]

Wow, that little guy is not good. I do know that sometimes healthy babies died for no reason, but he's not healthy. I agree with everyone here. You need to get your money back. And don't even bother dealing with that breeder ever again, if that person is capable of doing something like that.

 

[Fretfreak13]

You said the breeder offered a 7 day guarantee which increased to 30 if you bought a setup? We're not allowed to bash names on here, but I've been doing a lot of shopping around lately and have only noticed one site that offered that. Not mentioning names, was this poor fella bought from one of our own sponsors?!?

 

[Olimpia]

No naming names, please! Or I'll have to delete the thread. I can't keep you from discussing it privately through PMs but on here I have to delete it. You can only talk about experiences with vendors on Faunaclassifieds.com, on their Board of Inquiry.

 

[Texas Panther Man]

I am not defending the breeder in question that sold this baby. But that cham was large enough to ship. Size was not the problem the problem looks to be dehydration. That poor animal was not properly hydrated from the look of that pic. A baby can suffer irreversible damage to internal organs if they arent kept hydrated. Did that cham arrive with sunken eyes like in the pic. Or did that occur post shed?

 

[Drakonia13]

This is a picture of him on the day he arrived.

Like I said, I'm not here to bash on the breeder. They've been very nice to me as a new Cham owner. I've had reptiles for about 16 years but I know Chams are much different than any I've previously owned so I just wanted other owner's opinions to what I was doing. While I may not have had certain things right, it just seems to me one week is not enough time to cause the problems of a hard shed.

 

[Texas Panther Man]

Turrets/eyes look partially sunken in that pic also. Not nearly as bad but dont look to be completely full and bulging like they should be. Looks like there is a space there between the turret and the actual head of the cham. Thats not what a hydrated animal looks like.

Normally a cham will shed shortly after arrival from the stress of the shipping process. If the cham in question was already lacking in hydration at arrival and then shortly thereafter started a shed. Yes, the lack of hydration can make the shed harder to complete for the cham. You will see partial sheds or it may take alot longer for the shed to complete. A fully hydrated baby should shed in a matter of hrs and the skin should have come off easily and in big pieces or almost as one big piece of skin.

 

[clarkrw3]

That was a sick, malnourished, dehydrated cham when you got him. period! a cham that size/weight probably should not have been sold at all, but given the size in respect to your fingers that cham should have weighed a lot more if healthy.

 

[Drakonia13]

I misted him 4 times a day for 2-3 mins...and when he started to shed, I increased that to 6. After a full day of trying to let him do it on his own..he wasn't moving, wouldn't open his eyes,...just seemed miserable so I tried to assist and got about 90% off. He took a good long drink while I did so..but never once did he try to remove his own shed.