CNorton
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Hey Luis, Jared and I are soooo down for a trip. If you're serious, so are we.
Identification Challenge
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Hey Luis, Jared and I are soooo down for a trip. If you're serious, so are we.
Chris Anderson
Dr. House of Chameleons
What a beautiful specimen too, Chris! Thanks for the call and anticipation of seeing the photosThat tail is something else!! Would you say she is an adult? If so hopefully she will produce a fertile clutch for you! Good luck and definitely keep us posted on her
I definitely think she's an adult. I don't think she is gravid but perhaps retained sperm. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
Unfortunately the two males I had gotten over a year back are no longer with me. I've asked for a few more so hopefully Joe will be able to send me a couple more in the next shipment. I would really like to be able to breed them and perhaps get a few into other experienced Kinyongia breeders hands.
Chris
eisentrauti
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Chase
Chameleon Enthusiast
How come when people have Multis on Kingsnake, they are marked either B. fischeri or K. Fischeri? Just mislabeled?
eisentrauti
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Yes. In Tanzania, the hole fischeri group is just Bradypodion or Kinyongia fischeri. Multituberculata, vosseleri, fischeri, ulugurensis and matschiei are just "fischeris"
Chase
Chameleon Enthusiast
Are you talking about farms, or people who collect them and send them over call them fischers?
Chris Anderson
Dr. House of Chameleons
The reason is that people have been slow to catch up to the current classification and taxonomy.
Kinyongia vs Bradypodion: Prior to 2006, these species were considered members of the genus Bradypodion. However, in 2006 the genus Kinyongia was created for the East African ovoviviparous species that were previously placed in Bradypodion and these species are now considered members of that genus.
fischeri vs. multituberculata, matschiei, etc.: In 2008 the Two-horned Chameleon group (the so called "fischeri-group") was reevaluated and it was determined that most of what we thought about this group was incorrect. The animals we were calling "Kinyongia fischeri fischeri" (or previously "Bradypodion fischeri fischeri") were actually not true fischeri but another species (Kinyongia matschiei). The multis were "Kinyongia fischeri multituberculata" (or previously "Bradypodion fischeri multituberculatum") but this study found justification to make them their own species, Kinyongia multituberculata. They found that the true Kinyongia fischeri were actually incredibly rare and at the time were only known from 9 specimens.
Basically the people who are exporting them and the people selling them here are using their old classification because people are familiar with it. It makes it difficult to differentiate the different species, however, and people get easily confused as a result.
These two links may help you as well:
http://www.chameleonnews.com/?page=article&id=122
https://www.chameleonforums.com/fischers-chameleon-kinyongia-fischeri-22395/
Chris
