Interesting Raiden Faly

[clarkrw3]

I am not sure what we are allowed to say. Once the pictures were posted this thread was immediately closed before anyone was able to really respond and now it is suddenly back open.
What alpayne says is true and I am pretty sure Rob didn't swap this one out up in Canada. I am pretty sure that we all know what this cham is, people either don't want to get involved or are afraid of getting in trouble with the board.

Locale is all about color and head structure, and if it doesn't it isn't. If things within the genetics of the animals allow for this kind of variation there would never be locales in the first place. Locales exist because of genetic pool isolation. The more isolated gene pools have the least amount of variation like the Nosy's. Where as locals like Ambilobe have much more variation due to less isolation (land features rather than water).

 

[Canny Chams]

thx bud, i was looking through some pics of the radien babies and babies of his offspring and there does seem to be some passing on of the different colors, almost like a resessive gene or something. defintaly interesting and always beautifull.
i just grabbed a female of Apollo, a raiden offspring, she is really showing some interesting color esp, for a female

same, my partner likes the apollo female colors and patterns more than my male

 

[Dean Pulcini]

I am not sure what we are allowed to say. Once the pictures were posted this thread was immediately closed before anyone was able to really respond and now it is suddenly back open.
What alpayne says is true and I am pretty sure Rob didn't swap this one out up in Canada. I am pretty sure that we all know what this cham is, people either don't want to get involved or are afraid of getting in trouble with the board.

Locale is all about color and head structure, and if it doesn't it isn't. If things within the genetics of the animals allow for this kind of variation there would never be locales in the first place. Locales exist because of genetic pool isolation. The more isolated gene pools have the least amount of variation like the Nosy's. Where as locals like Ambilobe have much more variation due to less isolation (land features rather than water).

I agree. This chameleon does not look like a green or blue faly perhapes a mix of the two. Sorry if I steped on a few toe's here.

 

[Chameleon Nation]

That didnt answer the question. They are all out of Raiden and Nala. This one is from Raiden and Nala......you are allowed to say pure or cross. I just want to know if everyone thinks they are pure or crosses. Be honest and polite and it wont get closed. Ambilobe has a huge variation as well as many other locales. I honestly think Raiden may have been a cross.

 

[Hoj]

i reopened the thread so that the op could get an honest opinion, and not to rehash the whole previous issue.
if this get silly i will close it just as fast...
i dont know why everyone gets so worked up about the faly's, ive seen many "nosy be's" that were quite different from the norm, and didnt cause such controvercy.

 

[Canny Chams]

I am not sure what we are allowed to say. Once the pictures were posted this thread was immediately closed before anyone was able to really respond and now it is suddenly back open.
What alpayne says is true and I am pretty sure Rob didn't swap this one out up in Canada. I am pretty sure that we all know what this cham is, people either don't want to get involved or are afraid of getting in trouble with the board.

Locale is all about color and head structure, and if it doesn't it isn't. If things within the genetics of the animals allow for this kind of variation there would never be locales in the first place. Locales exist because of genetic pool isolation. The more isolated gene pools have the least amount of variation like the Nosy's. Where as locals like Ambilobe have much more variation due to less isolation (land features rather than water).

sorry could you repeat that in different words, i just was confused what exactly you said?
why was it closed anyway? did i do something wrong? and what is "the board"

 

[Chameleon Nation]

No toes stepped on Dean, we are just trying to figure out this Raiden line.

I agree. This chameleon does not look like a green or blue faly perhapes a mix of the two. Sorry if I steped on a few toe's here.

 

[robmd1]

you know I vote cross this dudes a brother to the 4 you sent to the US.. ok alil color diff but what your asking for just isnt there in "falys" you asked for opinions thats mine..

 

[Canny Chams]

what im not sure of is wether this coloration will be passed on to the babies,

 

[Chameleon Nation]

This was bound to get brought up sooner or later. I am the first and only member that has posted pics of many faly males grown up from the same parents. Now because there is so much variation there is sure to be some controversy. See the big thing is no one else has done it so we dont have any other lines to compare it to.

i reopened the thread so that the op could get an honest opinion, and not to rehash the whole previous issue.
if this get silly i will close it just as fast...
i dont know why everyone gets so worked up about the faly's, ive seen many "nosy be's" that were quite different from the norm, and didnt cause such controvercy.

 

[Dean Pulcini]

People get worked up because they want to know what they are buying. If it's a cross then sell it as such if it's a locale then it is what you wanted . If you buy a female cross sold to you as a faly then you end up with something that should not be.

 

[Canny Chams]

i got mine from the Canadian reptile breeders expo in toronto in september, he was apart from the rest of the chams do to a Strong color for his age, but when he was young, he was stunning, but he didnt have the blotchy reds. Im confused by whos brother, im sooo confused

 

[Chameleon Nation]

This is a Nala boy Rob. I do value your opinion. Same mom and dad as Bobbie.

you know I vote cross this dudes a brother to the 4 you sent to the US.. ok alil color diff but what your asking for just isnt there in "falys" you asked for opinions thats mine..

 

[yankfanthom]

Why not those who have the colorful Falys breed them? Let's see in a year what genes or traits are passed on. Maybe then this could be a giant science experiment laid to rest. I know Drew will sleep better!!! My 2 cents...

 

[Hoj]

That didnt answer the question. They are all out of Raiden and Nala. This one is from Raiden and Nala......you are allowed to say pure or cross. I just want to know if everyone thinks they are pure or crosses. Be honest and polite and it wont get closed. Ambilobe has a huge variation as well as many other locales. I honestly think Raiden may have been a cross.

now, radien having some unpure blood in him could explian alot,


i am more curious then anything about this and wish to be able to have a open discussion.
i definatly agree that the pics shown and afew other i have seen of the radien babies are not what i would expect as a typical faly, but i do trust cham nation as a great breeder

 

[Chameleon Nation]

I really am confused as much as most of you are. I mean they produced the stunning red white and blues....... As well as these. I have crossed Ambilobe and Nosy Be before. I got some that looked both pure Ambilobe and some that looked pure Nosy Be. Raiden and or Nala could very well be a cross. Again I have no other line to compare too.

Why not those who have the colorful Falys breed them? Let's see in a year what genes or traits are passed on. Maybe then this could be a giant science experiment laid to rest. I know Drew will sleep better!!! My 2 cents...

 

[Canny Chams]

k i feel like a dumb*ss right now? Is the controversy wether this is a faly or not, or wether i should breed him or not? or what.

 

[alpayne]

That didnt answer the question. They are all out of Raiden and Nala. This one is from Raiden and Nala......you are allowed to say pure or cross. I just want to know if everyone thinks they are pure or crosses. Be honest and polite and it wont get closed. Ambilobe has a huge variation as well as many other locales. I honestly think Raiden may have been a cross.

If Raiden was a cross... as you stated you think he may have been...that would explain the occasional genetic hiccup that shows up as abnormal coloration. Thank you for saying this, it doesn't change the fact that he was beautiful and I wish I had one that looked just like him.

 

[Canny Chams]

well i think im gonna breed him, he has nice colorations and he is a raiden and nala faly, il show his pic on the website and bring him to shows, so people can decide for themselves

 

[Hoj]

k i feel like a dumb*ss right now? Is the controversy wether this is a faly or not, or wether i should breed him or not? or what.

lol, i dont think differntly at all about your cham i say breed it an make some killer babies, if it was sold as faly and is a radien and nala babies than i would concider it a faly.

heck here is one for the pureists im taking my new appolo female faly and breeding her to my nosy be male, heck they may have turtles