interesting things to do to enjoy your cham?

If you want to add enrichment add flying feeders or a new free range. I agree with Klyde, most of what we would consider enrichment is anthropomorphism.
So can I just catch moths from outside?
I personally don’t agree with this chameleons aren’t one for being handled especially not on something that’s vibrating with sound it’s just unwanted stress they are generally happy on their branch not being disturbed by humans and being unnoticed for the most part
I disagree he crawls onto me to chill. Sometimes he won’t go back on the branch he’ll just hang out on my hand and I’m like hug. The guitar head doesn’t vibrate, it’s really the body that vibrates. And they lack an external ear so it’s hard for them to hear a quiet semi hollow.
 
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So can I just catch moths from outside?

I disagree he crawls onto me to chill. Sometimes he won’t go back on the branch he’ll just hang out on my hand and I’m like hug. The guitar head doesn’t vibrate, it’s really the body that vibrates. And they lack an external ear so it’s hard for them to hear a quiet semi hollow.
Hard but not impossible a chameleon generally doesn’t go out onto someone’s hand unless they are dissatisfied with their enclosure or something is wrong like not enough hiding spots or being in a high traffic area or too low have you had your husbandry checked by some experienced keepers here? Also in the moth thing you can although there is risk of pesticides and parasites being transmitted as long as you’re sure they are safe then you can or if you buy some black soldier fly larvae in a couple weeks they will pupate into flies which are a favorite for most
 
Hard but not impossible a chameleon generally doesn’t go out onto someone’s hand unless they are dissatisfied with their enclosure or something is wrong like not enough hiding spots or being in a high traffic area or too low have you had your husbandry checked by some experienced keepers here? Also in the moth thing you can although there is risk of pesticides and parasites being transmitted as long as you’re sure they are safe then you can or if you buy some black soldier fly larvae in a couple weeks they will pupate into flies which are a favorite for most
He’s doing great, he’s got tons of hiding spots, his enclosure is filled with plants and branches. He’s in the lowest traffic part of the house, my bedroom. He’s away from my door so he doesn’t see anyone either. His cage is 48” tall and on a cabinet so where he often sits is at my forehead height. I have got my husbandry checked when I first joined a hot minute ago and fixed everything they recommended. He came to me for food, I hand feed him and often he crawls onto my hand to eat. Sometimes when I hold him I’ll try to put him back on a branch, sometimes I’ll nudge him and he won’t move. He’s very healthy and well fed.
 
He’s doing great, he’s got tons of hiding spots, his enclosure is filled with plants and branches. He’s in the lowest traffic part of the house, my bedroom. He’s away from my door so he doesn’t see anyone either. His cage is 48” tall and on a cabinet so where he often sits is at my forehead height. I have got my husbandry checked when I first joined a hot minute ago and fixed everything they recommended. He came to me for food, I hand feed him and often he crawls onto my hand to eat. Sometimes when I hold him I’ll try to put him back on a branch, sometimes I’ll nudge him and he won’t move. He’s very healthy and well fed.
And my forehead height, I’m six foot three lol. I’m pretty sure he’s comfy up there
 
I disagree he crawls onto me to chill. Sometimes he won’t go back on the branch he’ll just hang out on my hand and I’m like hug.
He may crawl onto your hand—maybe even stay there—but I have serious doubts it's to chill or hang out. Mine does similar, but he does it in hopes of being put on the Missus' plant table. Some do it in anticipation of being fed.

The guitar head doesn’t vibrate, it’s really the body that vibrates.
Wanna bet? Put a tuning fork on the head, give it a strum, and see if it doesn't get that fork to vibrating. ;) The body of an acoustic guitar will vibrate more than a solid body electric, but there is still vibration.

And they lack an external ear so it’s hard for them to hear a quiet semi hollow.
Doesn't matter if they feel the vibration.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...ication_by_Substrate_Vibration_in_a_Chameleon
 
He’s doing great, he’s got tons of hiding spots, his enclosure is filled with plants and branches. He’s in the lowest traffic part of the house, my bedroom. He’s away from my door so he doesn’t see anyone either. His cage is 48” tall and on a cabinet so where he often sits is at my forehead height. I have got my husbandry checked when I first joined a hot minute ago and fixed everything they recommended. He came to me for food, I hand feed him and often he crawls onto my hand to eat. Sometimes when I hold him I’ll try to put him back on a branch, sometimes I’ll nudge him and he won’t move. He’s very healthy and well fed.
Then he’s a hidden gem
He may crawl onto your hand—maybe even stay there—but I have serious doubts it's to chill or hang out. Mine does similar, but he does it in hopes of being put on the Missus' plant table. Some do it in anticipation of being fed.


Wanna bet? Put a tuning fork on the head, give it a strum, and see if it doesn't get that fork to vibrating. ;) The body of an acoustic guitar will vibrate more than a solid body electric, but there is still vibration.


Doesn't matter if they feel the vibration.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...ication_by_Substrate_Vibration_in_a_Chameleon
i agree animals always make up with packing a specific sense such as lacking sense of sound they will make it up with eyesight feeling vibrations etc
 
He may crawl onto your hand—maybe even stay there—but I have serious doubts it's to chill or hang out. Mine does similar, but he does it in hopes of being put on the Missus' plant table. Some do it in anticipation of being fed.


Wanna bet? Put a tuning fork on the head, give it a strum, and see if it doesn't get that fork to vibrating. ;) The body of an acoustic guitar will vibrate more than a solid body electric, but there is still vibration.


Doesn't matter if they feel the vibration.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...ication_by_Substrate_Vibration_in_a_Chameleon
Why are we so gd flighty about me too wanting to see if my chameleon wants to climb around on my guitar lmao it’s not like I’m gonna regularly put him on my guitar every other day and play death metal or some crap. And there’s like no vibration in the head, it’s all in the body.
 
Why are we so gd flighty about me too wanting to see if my chameleon wants to climb around on my guitar
Speaking only for myself, you have a record of anthropomorphizing.

it’s not like I’m gonna regularly put him on my guitar every other day and play death metal or some crap.
We have no idea how often, or your taste in music.

And there’s like no vibration in the head, it’s all in the body.
50+ years of playing guitars disagrees. If wood weren't an excellent conductor of vibration, it wouldn't be used for sound boards in so many instruments. Secondarily, vibration can be transmitted through steel neck reinforcements.
Your entire guitar vibrates when you play it: the top most of all, but even the neck and headstock are moved by the vibrating strings' energy.
https://acousticguitar.com/how-to-fix-rattles/

Even if you could dampen the vibration produced by the strings to the head, the sound itself would cause most things it reflects off of to vibrate to some degree, including the guitar head.

These little guys can pick up on the vibrations of a leaf or an insect's wings. While they may not hear so well, their ability to sense vibration is remarkable.

If you want to try this, no-one can stop you. My concern is that you may misinterpret the cham's reaction via anthropomorphizing.

You asked about enrichment, and got several good answers, then kept on about this guitar head thing despite several folks expressing honest doubt/concern. One might ask, why are you being so gd determined? IMO, that's not asking for opinions; that's seeking validation.

How about starting another thread on this exact issue/question, aimed at other guitar players?
 
Speaking only for myself, you have a record of anthropomorphizing.


We have no idea how often, or your taste in music.


50+ years of playing guitars disagrees. If wood weren't an excellent conductor of vibration, it wouldn't be used for sound boards in so many instruments. Secondarily, vibration can be transmitted through steel neck reinforcements.


Even if you could dampen the vibration produced by the strings to the head, the sound itself would cause most things it reflects off of to vibrate to some degree, including the guitar head.

These little guys can pick up on the vibrations of a leaf or an insect's wings. While they may not hear so well, their ability to sense vibration is remarkable.

If you want to try this, no-one can stop you. My concern is that you may misinterpret the cham's reaction via anthropomorphizing.

You asked about enrichment, and got several good answers, then kept on about this guitar head thing despite several folks expressing honest doubt/concern. One might ask, why are you being so gd determined? IMO, that's not asking for opinions; that's seeking validation.

How about starting another thread on this exact issue/question, aimed at other guitar players?
This plus it’s just unwanted stress that can easily be avoided by simply not doing it there are plenty of experienced keeper that express their doubts because they have seen the negatives that go with things like this it’s important to remember that chameleons don’t “enjoy” humans they only tolerate us being a pet or seeking attention or even being near a predator is not what they evolved to handle by simply sticking them in a cage we are quite honestly negating this instinct to stay high up in the trees and go unnoticed that’s what they are designed to do is eat sleep and not get eaten for them being handled by a human or being in the hands or near something large is the step before being eaten there are only a select few that just don’t fear humans or will associate humans with food but that shouldn’t be an expectation chameleons are a look at don’t touch animal and the fun of having one is building and maintaining their environment and being able to watch that chameleon live out in the environment most lizards are not social to begin with and chameleons are definitely not this exception
 
This plus it’s just unwanted stress that can easily be avoided by simply not doing it there are plenty of experienced keeper that express their doubts because they have seen the negatives that go with things like this it’s important to remember that chameleons don’t “enjoy” humans they only tolerate us being a pet or seeking attention or even being near a predator is not what they evolved to handle by simply sticking them in a cage we are quite honestly negating this instinct to stay high up in the trees and go unnoticed that’s what they are designed to do is eat sleep and not get eaten for them being handled by a human or being in the hands or near something large is the step before being eaten there are only a select few that just don’t fear humans or will associate humans with food but that shouldn’t be an expectation chameleons are a look at don’t touch animal and the fun of having one is building and maintaining their environment and being able to watch that chameleon live out in the environment most lizards are not social to begin with and chameleons are definitely not this exception
I respectfully disagree with this… There are several cases of chameleons loving to be out and there cafe being perfect as well as there husbandry. @MissSkittles im pretty sure has a chameleon that she takes out (I think) every day because he loves being out.
 
I do respectfully agree that the guitar head does vibrate but I see no harm in taking a couple pictures. I would not recommend doing it a lot or playing because it could mess with them. But some ways (if yo ur chameleon likes being handled) you could enriche them is…. Put there favorite feeder on your phone camera and take a slo Mo….. get a nice tree or plant table and let them climb around…. Free range bugs etc…
 
I do respectfully agree that the guitar head does vibrate but I see no harm in taking a couple pictures. I would not recommend doing it a lot or playing because it could mess with them. But some ways (if yo ur chameleon likes being handled) you could enriche them is…. Put there favorite feeder on your phone camera and take a slo Mo….. get a nice tree or plant table and let them climb around…. Free range bugs etc…
I want to get a tree to put in my room but they’re expENSIVE
 
I respectfully disagree with this… There are several cases of chameleons loving to be out and there cafe being perfect as well as there husbandry. @MissSkittles im pretty sure has a chameleon that she takes out (I think) every day because he loves being out.
There's a difference between wanting freedom and tolerating being handled.
I have a chameleon who will jump at any chance to get out on the plant table—not because there is anything wrong with husbandry—but because ...

How Ya Gonna Keep 'em Down on the Farm After They've Seen Paree?

The only reason he tolerates handling is the chance that he may get that freedom on the plant table.

Similar to something Uri said above, when I think about animal behavior, I think about their place in the food chain. Pretty much the only thing lower than a chameleon are the bugs it eats, while almost everything else is a predator, including humans.
There are many animals that eat these lizards. In fact, the smaller a chameleon is, the more likely it is to be eaten by a larger animal. Some of the predators include snakes, birds and sometimes monkeys. Though they can blend in with their environment, they are near the bottom of the food chain. This means there are many animals above them on the food chain that can eat them.
https://a-z-animals.com/animals/chameleon/
 
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There's a difference between wanting freedom and tolerating being handled.
I have a chameleon who will jump at any chance to get out on the plant table—not because there is anything wrong with husbandry—but because ...

How Ya Gonna Keep 'em Down on the Farm After They've Seen Paree?

The only reason he tolerates handling is the chance that he may get that freedom on the plant table.

Similar to something Uri said above, when I think about animal behavior, I think about their place in the food chain. Pretty much the only thing lower than a chameleon are the bugs it eats, while almost everything else is a predator, including humans.
But there’s also chameleon (the odd ones out) (the Christmas miracles) that liked being held
 
Very small minority. It may seem larger because the kinds of folks who are likely to have that kind of relationship with a reptile are drawn to forums like these.
Small minority doesn’t mean none but I get (I can’t word it right) but you don’t want newbies to think that their chameleon is wanting to be held or needs to be held so you advice not too for everyone
 
Small minority doesn’t mean none but I get (I can’t word it right) but you don’t want newbies to think that their chameleon is wanting to be held or needs to be held so you advice not too for everyone
:confused: I'm sorry, I'm not understanding what you're trying to say.

I've never advocated unnecessary handling or suggested chameleons have a 'need' to be held.
On the contrary, I have suggested to a few people looking for that to consider a bearded dragon instead; they tolerate handling much better.

Consider the 'handleability' scores in Clint Laidlaw's videos.








I don't find one for Veiled Chameleons, but there are enough folks here that know they can (generally) be the least amicable of the three.
 
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