Is this possible???

This is definitely possible. This was written by Chris I believe.


"As far as hybridization between species, this has actually been observed. There are known hybrids in chameleons between Yemen Chameleons (Chamaeleo calyptratus) and Arabian Chameleons (Chamaeleo arabicus), Panther Chameleons (Furcifer pardalis) and Oustalet's Chameleons (Furcifer oustaleti), and between Mt. Meru Jackson's Chameleons (Trioceros jacksonii merumontanus) and Sternfeld's Side-striped Chameleons (Trioceros sternfeldi). One thing that is important to note is that in each case, these are closely related species from the same genus that overlap in range and habitat preference. Other examples of hybridization are typically within the same genus as well (ex: Bitis nasicornis x Bitis gabonica, Panthera tigris x Panthera leo, Equus ferus x Equus africanus)."

Citation: http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/forums/lizards/427365-hybridization-chameleon-species.html
 
Its quite an interesting thought. Maybe the cross could produce giant colorful panthers/oustalets. I would buy a huge colorful hybrid, let me know if they hatch out because I want one! :D good luck btw to OP
 
Subscribing to this thread, please keep us up to date on this with the egg laying and such. And best of luck to you!
 
Possible? Yes of course. Acceptable? NO!

Just because two different animals ‘never leave’ their designated free range area for a few weeks doesn’t mean they never will. That is inexperience talking right there. What bothers me about this and other recent hybrid clutches is that sets up a bad precedent for any newer keepers in that it’s okay to house different species together and these ‘supposed’ mating mistakes should be commended when it happens.
 
Trace said:
Possible? Yes of course. Acceptable? NO!

Just because two different animals ‘never leave’ their designated free range area for a few weeks doesn’t mean they never will. That is inexperience talking right there. What bothers me about this and other recent hybrid clutches is that sets up a bad precedent for any newer keepers in that it’s okay to house different species together and these ‘supposed’ mating mistakes should be commended when it happens.
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Now I wouldn't go as far as to tell people that it is not acceptable. Sure your opinion is that it is not okay in your eyes but who is to say that someone else wouldn't be interested? Now I agree that there is a sense of carelessness in having the possibility of it happening and then letting it happen (no offense). I do agree that accidents should be avoided unless you are prepared for what is to come but if the OP is ready for such a committment then I do recommend them. I hope this makes sense its early and I'm a little tired lol
 
Trace said:
Ah yes, careless would have been the better word. I’m also writing pre-coffee this morning. ;)
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Haha I hear you I went back and read everything again and do agree with you. There have been many "careless mishaps" that seem like total BS but there are certain cases such as this one that I have to say seem pretty reasonable.
 
Trace said:
Possible? Yes of course. Acceptable? NO!

Just because two different animals ‘never leave’ their designated free range area for a few weeks doesn’t mean they never will. That is inexperience talking right there. What bothers me about this and other recent hybrid clutches is that sets up a bad precedent for any newer keepers in that it’s okay to house different species together and these ‘supposed’ mating mistakes should be commended when it happens.
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
I am surprisingly not against certain reptile hybrids; there are some wonderful Green Tree/Carpet Python mixes out there. Some of those specimens are quite stunning. Unfortunately this and other recent clutches set a bad example for the newer people to the hobby. Not everybody reading this now, or in the future will realize that. We have a pitiful success rate with establishing captive populations of most species of chameleons let’s try and improve that before we start hybridizing them.
 
Trace said:
I am surprisingly not against certain reptile hybrids; there are some wonderful Green Tree/Carpet Python mixes out there. Some of those specimens are quite stunning. Unfortunately this and other recent clutches set a bad example for the newer people to the hobby. Not everybody reading this now, or in the future will realize that. We have a pitiful success rate with establishing captive populations of most species of chameleons let’s try and improve that before we start hybridizing them.
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When you put it this way the first thing I wanted to think of was when I have been approached in the past by kids who are 15 and 16 years old about breeding ball python morphs after they have only had their regular ball for a month. And I always tell them to learn husbandry first and to have a financial backing for this and how it is hard work. I would put that on anyone who try it for chameleons as well whether it is a regular veiled or a hybrid. However, when you put it that way and how people just struggle to even have a strong flowing community of CB blood lines, then I couldn't agree more with you. I would hate for new people to come here and automatically think hybrids and think its easy above all else. I think it is important to learn husbandry and if you want to pursue breeding then take the right steps towards it.
 
I think this is the last thing this community need is another attempt at a new hybrid species. I really hope that this mating does not result in offspring.

Accidents do happen, and hopefully that was what this was, but I think that we, as a whole, need to do a much better job of monitoring the activity of our chameleons. There is no need for such things to even take place, and if you are unable to properly care for the chameleons in your care, they might be better off with owners who have fewer outside responsibilities and can more closely care for their pets to ensure there are no more freak matings taking place.

Maybe there is some prestige associated with being the first person to cross a ..... with a ....., but I think the damage and extremely poor hatch rates should be reason enough to stay away from these sort of practices.
 
Trace said:
Ah yes, careless would have been the better word. I’m also writing pre-coffee this morning. ;)
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No you were right the first time it is inexperience. I think that the bit of knowledge that there might be a pairing here is not Chameleon husbandry 1A and many free rangers round these parts (the forums) seem to have multiple chameleons that could in theory have access to each other.

I understand the hybridization of Chameleon species irritates a lot of people on here and I don't exclude myself from that list. The reasons I believe it is not are as follows:

Low hatch rate
Low survival rate of hatch-lings
Sickly babies
General suffering involved
Does not serve to increase captive populations
From everything I have the babies are nothing special and in fact uglier than both the original parents.

Now no matter how cool some might feel hybridization is the above (assuming it is true which it seems to be) means cham hybrids will just not ever get the status of snake hybrids and anyone who does it once will not be interested in doing it again.

A clutch of 10 Panther babies is worth more than a clutch of 0 - 3 surviving hybrids and chameleon people are cheap. Oddities do not fetch the prices they do for other species. In the Chameleon world oddity means an animal that will be dead soon...

So with little to no financial incentive and the likelihood this mating will end in pain and death for the most of any possible viable eggs my vote is this isn't a big deal and the lesson will come through for everyone watching just like did on another hybrid thread here.

And I should have corrected my previous post that Trace probably really knows if this is possible in addition to Chris and Kent... ha haa
 
hustlur said:
Unlikely.....is that like 50/50?
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well, I didnt mean 50-50. I didnt put odds on it at all. But 50-50 seems pretty possible, decent odds, and I meant possible but not probable. And I meant viable offspring being unlikely. The "accidental" mating isnt all the suprising. I think it was Brad that once said something like "males will try to mate with a sock"

Other hybrids have happened.
though Im not sure why anyone would want it to.
 
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Well, seems we can just take this for what its going to be and learn from it. i'd like the OP to update the thread with how the possible eggs and hatchlings are doing so we can have documented cases and what this pair will produce. Goodluck and i hope these babies do not have any health problems or defects.
 
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okiroo said:
Well, seems we can just take this for what its going to be and learn from it. i'd like the OP to update the thread with how the possible eggs and hatchlings are doing so we can have documented cases and what this pair will produce. Goodluck and i hope these babies do not have any health problems of defects.
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I will keep you updated.;)
 
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