DJ Richey Rich
New Member
Check out the prices very very cheap http://www.generalexotics.com/lizards-chameleons-c-5_12
Is this site a joke
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..they also sell caiman's and alligators! must be a joke.....surely??
PantherVeileD
Avid Member
I know some pet stores that sells gator. Some states are legal to have as pets.
xanthoman
Avid Member
prices not all that unusual ?
i believe it is a legitmate site but i will investigate further. many of the prices are not that unusual. i suspect that some of the prices are due to farmed animals, for instance, its not uncommon for farmed baby jacksons baby jacksons to go for $35 each, so $25 each isnt that unbelievable, especially if they make anything on shipping. they could very well be making from $7-$17 shipping. most small animals (chams) can be shipped for $27-$38 depending on locality and shipper and thats for the one time shipper, frequent shippers could probably get a further 10-20% discount off of that, so i do suspect they are making at least a couple of $ on shipping . many of their prices are fairly normal $95+ shipping is a fairly common price for adult jacksons. fl chams was selling deremensis for $100 and they are a premium retailer (with lots of advertising), so $90 does not seem that unbelievable. i suspect that most of their animals are wc and that the ones called captive bred are actually farmed, which isnt quite the same, but i guess its a matter of definitions and point of view. you notice that most of the ones with seemingly low prices are not actually available (sold out?) it is prudent to do your homework, especially when buying from a commercial outlet, and that can be hard to do when it is a lessor known one! or there is always one way to find out, you can just spend your money and take your chances. jmo
i believe it is a legitmate site but i will investigate further. many of the prices are not that unusual. i suspect that some of the prices are due to farmed animals, for instance, its not uncommon for farmed baby jacksons baby jacksons to go for $35 each, so $25 each isnt that unbelievable, especially if they make anything on shipping. they could very well be making from $7-$17 shipping. most small animals (chams) can be shipped for $27-$38 depending on locality and shipper and thats for the one time shipper, frequent shippers could probably get a further 10-20% discount off of that, so i do suspect they are making at least a couple of $ on shipping . many of their prices are fairly normal $95+ shipping is a fairly common price for adult jacksons. fl chams was selling deremensis for $100 and they are a premium retailer (with lots of advertising), so $90 does not seem that unbelievable. i suspect that most of their animals are wc and that the ones called captive bred are actually farmed, which isnt quite the same, but i guess its a matter of definitions and point of view. you notice that most of the ones with seemingly low prices are not actually available (sold out?) it is prudent to do your homework, especially when buying from a commercial outlet, and that can be hard to do when it is a lessor known one! or there is always one way to find out, you can just spend your money and take your chances. jmo
Brad Ramsey
Retired Moderator
For the most part, the prices seem right on target to me, some even seem a bit high.
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Chris Anderson
Dr. House of Chameleons
Prices are fairly on target and selling caimans and alligators isn't illegal in a lot of states. They are using photos from other people though to sell their animals, including 2 of my photos. Off to write a couple threatening emails...
Chris
Chris
ciafardo 4
New Member
I would love to be able to get $75 for a 3 inch veiled i sell them for 12$ but I like 75 better.
Olimpia
Biologist & Ecologist
Yes, many of the photos are from other people. I checked the gecko section and under African fat tail geckos there's a photo of a completely different species labeled as an albino fattie. It's a little riddiculous, if you ask me. If they can't even put the correct photos of the species they're selling, I dont think you can expect much from the quality of the animals.
Chris Anderson
Dr. House of Chameleons
Yeah, I agree. He had two of my photos and 1 that I recognized as from FL Chams' site. I emailed him and cced FL Chams about the pics and he's removed them but he had one of my photos labeled as a different species as well.
Chris
Chris
Syn
Avid Member
Chris, many of those pictures, if not all, are from Google! I knew I recognized them from somewhere. It's too bad that it's so hard to regulate pictures on the internet.
I have to say their geckos are overpriced to hell and back, since none of them have specific pictures for each. WOW
OMG? They ship on FRIDAY????
I have to say their geckos are overpriced to hell and back, since none of them have specific pictures for each. WOW
OMG? They ship on FRIDAY????
xanthoman
Avid Member
i agree, i believe i have seen some of the pictures elsewhere as well. but that is a fairly common practice and doesnt neccessarily indicate an illigitimate site(although a less than ethical one). i believe i have also seen at least a couple of my images pirated by others on the internet, largely my fault, i never bother to watermark any of my images, but it doesnt do much good anyway, it is easy to photoshop away any sort of watermark and unless one is prepared to legally (and aggressively) pursue anyone (and everyone) who tries to pirate, efforts are largely wasted, which unfortunately is why it is such a common practice. the moral is , be wary of any source that will not send you pics of the actual specific animal involved. jmo / edit/ if you click the make money with us link, it implies that they may also drop ship animals (that they do not actually have in their possesion) for other sellers. i would also be interested in hearing from anyone who has ordered (or attempted to) from this site./ edit / i have looked up the owner of this domain and will gladly forward it to anyone who inquires, i would post it here but i dont think brad would approve
Olimpia
Biologist & Ecologist
I would politely disagree with you (not that this is directed at you, I'm just putting this out there). I think there's something about a site (especially an animal site) without original photos that turns me off completely. You don't offer tangering leopard geckos, for example, and post a photo of a $500 gecko from one of the largest gecko breeders as an example. It's false advertising, because odds are that you're NOT getting one that looks that fantastic. And if you did have such fantastic ones, you'd take photos of your own individuals. And the fact that you don't have your own photos, and that you're misrepresenting species and morphs, just destroys any credibility you might have.
It just seems really shady, if you ask me. I personally wouldn't trust them.
xanthoman
Avid Member
yes, i agree, but i think the question was more related to whether or not it was a real site, not an ethical one. i fully believe that if you placed an order with this site that you would get an animal in return. it may not be the animal pictured, or even the animal you wanted, but i believe you would get an animal. the sad fact of the matter is that when it comes to chams, the vast majority of commercial sites (even some reputable ones) dont picture the the actual specific animal you would be getting , most, even if you call and request, will just simply say they have too many animals to deal with it. that does not mean they are not a legitmate site. even if you go to the fl chams website (which is a premium dealer with a good reputation) does not usually show pics of the actual specific animal offered, and they are certainly a legitimate site. all the more reason to deal with a reputable private breeder if you have the option. most reputable private dealers and a handful of premium mail order dealers will send you the actual specific photo if its not already posted. if not, that should be a red flag. i wont buy from a source that doesnt photo the actual specific animal. and whos to say that if you emailed this site, or the owner directly, they may be happy to provide a picture of the actual specific animal, maybe not. ya dont know until you try! jmo
