Kammerfage Kreatations

[Chameleon Mike]

So I was looking on their site for a female panther. They are selling an Ambilobe that was an offspring from a sire and his daughter. I thought this was a big no no with chameleons. Any thoughts?

 

[broderp]

Inbreeding? I thought it was bad as well. ?

 

[Chameleon Mike]

I know that Ball Python breeders breed offspring back to the parents to strengthen a gene or trait of the snake. I'm wondering if this is done quietly in the chameleon world as well. I know that Kamerflage Kreations have some excellent looking chameleons and they know what they are doing.

 

[Jwillchamel]

I dont know if breeders do that but i wouldnt and dont agree with it but to each his own but again I dont agree with inbreeding chameleons i thought that it could cause negative health effects and birth defects but i havent studied it and wouldnt want to

 

[bobcochran]

How do you think true blue nosy be were created? There are none in the wild that look like the captive bred true blue. I personally think some of the best nosy be wild caught with some red and a little yellow in them are better looking. The same is true with some of the ambanja and ambilobe lines.

 

[Andee]

There is such a thing as inbreeding and linebreeding but this doesn't sound like linebreeding. I am pretty sure line breeding doesnt breed direct descendants but it also depends on the colors and marking you are trying to get. I also haven't researched the negative affects of it in reptiles compared to mammals.

 

[bobcochran]

There is such a thing as inbreeding and linebreeding but this doesn't sound like linebreeding. I am pretty sure line breeding doesnt breed direct descendants but it also depends on the colors and marking you are trying to getresearched the negative affects of it in reptiles

This is exactly what line breeding is.

 

[EarlMT]

How do you think true blue nosy be were created? There are none in the wild that look like the captive bred true blue. I personally think some of the best nosy be wild caught with some red and a little yellow in them are better looking. The same is true with some of the ambanja and ambilobe lines.

I agree the wild caught ones look so much better I wish there were more CB ones that looked like them with the reds and whites

 

[Andee]

Then linebreeding should be done only a few times, no more than 10 generations I would assume? And you also would choose a very specific chameleon. One that shows the most health etc. I don't believe Kammerflage doesn't know what they are doing. They have been doing this for a long time and have produced extremely healthy babies. I bought Ryker from them. He has never been unhealthy until now with his eye sight and even somewhat blind he's still doing great. And the fact that he's blind I doubt very strongly has anything to do with his genes. Though we aren't sure what it is, the vitamin A I am positive wouldn't help if it was genetics.

 

[OldChamKeeper]

I occasionally breed tree boas and have bred the occasional daughter to its sire if the genes were spectacular. I personally never go any farther with line breeding but I'm aware of others who have with no notable negative effects. Siblings, for another example, are something I'd never breed together for a few genetic reasons.

In the case of the Krammers, They know what they are doing with this species. They are not ignorant people just breeding a few good looking animals to another. You really can't go wrong with their animals to date.

 

[NHenn]

How do you think true blue nosy be were created? There are none in the wild that look like the captive bred true blue. I personally think some of the best nosy be wild caught with some red and a little yellow in them are better looking. The same is true with some of the ambanja and ambilobe lines.

I have to disagree with you on the true blue nosy be. Yes, WC nosy be typically have more greens and yellows and even the reds but that doesn't mean that F1 offspring from them can't look like a true blue. The selective breeding of certain males from clutches have produced the solid blue coloration we see. It doesn't have anything to do with line breeding or inbreeding to achieve that look. Now when you come to the reduced lateral line that some are looking to produce then yes that is direct line breeding as non natural mutations like that only come from line breeding.