lamp burns on melleri

studiocham

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Starting a thread on the topic, as it deserves its own. The pic of the grayed dorsal and caudal crests in the other thread shows a lamp burn.

One of the most common conditions seen in an otherwise healthy captive melleri is a lamp burn. An animal can be fine with a lamp for years and then one day, you find it scorched. It has puzzled us for years. We know they have difficulty sensing when their skin has burned and when they need to stop basking. We know the tissue either slowly regains color and health, or it goes white, then black/localized necrosis, and completely sloughs off (outwardly appearing awful, but the animal doesn't show discomfort).

Common burn areas: dorsal and caudal crests, lobes, top of skull, rostrum, elbows and knees/upper thighs, tail end, and toes (if hanging from cage ceiling). Occasionally, one finds burns on the ribs.

Treatment varies by severity and your vet's experience. Most are treated topically with a rinse of Nolvasan solution, air dry, then slathering on Silvadene cream and repeating all every 24-48 hrs. Some vets prescribe an oral antibiotic. The chameleons usually are fine and autotomize the necrotic burn area without trouble.

Keepers have suggested their interior body temp is what rules the "stop basking" trigger, UV sensation being secondary to it. If the ambient air temp gets low at night, they start off the next day with an interior body temp deficit*. In the morning when their lights come on, they will roast their outermost anatomy trying to reach their inner temp ideal because the heat is limited to a small beam area. Think of ants under a magnifying glass. In the wild, they would never experience localized burns from the sun due to the higher UV and the wide, even nature of the sunlight.

I have some observations that may help folks avoid burns in their melleri. I raised CB babies under 50 watt ReptiBulbs from ZooMed. (I use these incandescents because my melleri have avoided MVs like the plague.) When they were about 6 months old, I graduated them to 150w of the same brand, but the hood was much larger and raised further from the basking areas. The beam was wider and no one was burned. They went nearly two years like that, same 6' long cage they were raised in. Those who were separated later to smaller individual cages with 50-75w in smaller hoods were fine until we had some unusual frosts that dropped house temps while we slept. The appearance of burns coincided with those weather events. Those kept in large pair/group cages with the bigger hoods and bulbs never burned.

So, is it, "the wider the beam, and bigger the cage, the less risk of burns"? And once they reach a certain body mass, they can't go back to a smaller lamp without risking burns? Maybe we all need to rethink our smaller enclosures, and watch the balance of the room temps if multiple 150ws are on all day.

I may have to build enclosures in other rooms of the house to keep the room temps correct!

*As a side note, that sharp interior body temp drop must occur in the wee hours. About a week ago, I had to handle the pair in the walk-in cage after the lights had been off for hours. The ambient temp was 68F, but they were radiating warmth from their bodies and the soles of their feet, warming my hands. I didn't have a veterinary thermometer handy, sadly. Would love to get a thermal cam on them sometime!
 
Great information Kristina. My guy also got a burn this winter and i coudn't figure out why. I knew they were suseptalble to them so i raised the lamp and he was fine for months. I originally thought it was a rough shed but was wrong. Never could figure out what did it, but it is very possible that during one of our cold, cold, cold nites the temps dropped. I will keep that in mind and make sure this winter we raise the temps on particularly cold nites.

Debby

PS. Still trying to figure out if mine is male/female. If i show it a mirror and it is a male, what should i expect for changes? I actually did it once for a short time and he just looked at it and ignored it. That is another reason why i thought she might be a female.
 
Here is another interesting old thread on Melleris that I thought should be bumped. I would love to hear other's stories of if or how their Melleris had lamp burns.
 
I have had issues with my melleri getting burned. I recently took some photos of Alex as he has been healing from a burn he recieved shortly after being undermy care. I deeply regret makinghim suffer this burn! It was large and he pulled through like a champ! When Alex was first in my care I had him in a small cage and had his heat lamp resting on the top of the cage and his basking branch was too close to the top of his cage. I honestly didn't think he would sit so close if he felt 'warm' enough.... but apparently melleri just burn like my fellow Irish ancestors. :rolleyes:

I will post pictures of Alex and his burns. He has finally shed the burnt skin. When the burnt skin was removed it wasn't quite ready so there was some minor bleeding. I used silvadene on the fresh skin and he hasn't shown any issues at all in the past couple of weeks.

bottom line... melleri burn EASILY!

I think Chris is the only one of my melleri not to suffer a burn, minor or major. All the others have gotten minor lobe burns and a couple of dorsal crest burns. but it seems Chris has managed to either monitor his basking times or just doesn't sit still long enough.

I have recently changed my basking lights to 50w halogen flood PAR20 lamps. I angle the lamps so that the melleri don't have to lean over the side of a vine or branch to 'satellite' under the lamp when basking. I think this also helps to minimize burning because the majority of the body is at a equal distance from the lamp. This creates a more equal basking temp on the body, eliminating 'hot spots'. halogen lamps do make a lot of heat, so it is best to use a diffused lamp such as the the flood lamps. I do have spot lamps, but keep them at a farther distance and only use them in my free ranges.
 
I too have all my basking lamps at a horizontal setting just for that exact reason mentioned above. This makes it so much easer to "bask" for the Cham when the light comes in from the side angle. Warming the entire profile of the animal not just its top.
 
I think your thinking of larger cages with lamps farther away is right on.

I don't use 150 watts though (not that if placed a couple feet away that would be a problem)- just 60 or 75 watt incandescent bulbs in clamp work-light type reflectors for heat, and sometimes they want milder heat and use the ge daylight 6500k cfl lights I put over their indoor cages to bask under as well.

I have been wondering about the "burns easily" for a while. Certainly any large lizard will burn for reasons you are describing (trying to raise core body temp under too hot a light that heats the outer surface too quickly). Iguana owners have had this problem as well.

I haven't experienced these easy burns in my melleri, but I have seen some sort of skin necrosis possibly caused by bacteria or something in some recent imports before that looks very similar to pics I see of burns on the internet, and I'm wondering if anyone has ever had their burn biopsied to make certain that is what the problem is, or if a burn has always been assumed based on a physical examination.

Just a thought...
 
Right now I have 5 melleri adults and 4 of which were Captive Hatched. When I aquired them, 2 of them have severe burns, but were in the process of healing.
The first two that I aquired at younger ages, then raised them using 40 and 60 watt bulbs. The one(in my avitar) got a slight burn on her belly while resting on the side of the cage where the light fixture was...
Stupid of me to have the lamp against the mesh of the reptarium, but I learned. It has healed up after two sheds and there is no trace of scarring.
I think the simple solution is to not use such high powered bulbs at such close distances. I dont think they need 90 watt bulbs at all.
 
Right now I have 5 melleri adults and 4 of which were Captive Hatched. When I aquired them, 2 of them have severe burns, but were in the process of healing.
The first two that I aquired at younger ages, then raised them using 40 and 60 watt bulbs. The one(in my avitar) got a slight burn on her belly while resting on the side of the cage where the light fixture was...
Stupid of me to have the lamp against the mesh of the reptarium, but I learned. It has healed up after two sheds and there is no trace of scarring.
I think the simple solution is to not use such high powered bulbs at such close distances. I dont think they need 90 watt bulbs at all.

I don't think the lamps should be placed on the side of the cage. This might be a bit unnatural to have the sun seem as though it has never risen.

I have my lights setup like this drawing.

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Big mistake is using light wattages that 'we' think are enough heat.

I only use 40-45 watt heat lights, after having a few animals get burned myself (chameleons and frilled dragons).

My rule is: if the light is ON the cage/lid, 45 watts is the max. If it is mounted or elevated, 60 watts is the max. If it is at the top of the cage where the reptile cannot climb on (like a glass lid, or a top they can't hang on to), then 100watts is the max, with controlled basking distance.

Us humans measure the heat at 6 inches-8 inches, 10 inches, 12 inches away, but the reptile can get as close as 2 inches away.

So I make sure the hottest spot is 2 inches away now, and a 40watt bulb, 2 inches away, is about 90-95F in my room.

Measure a 60, 75, or 100 watt and you'll be surprised the temperatures our reptiles can get to by being as close as they can to the light.

In my chameleon experience, the hottest they like to be is about 83-84 for panthers, 87-88 for veileds, and about 80 or less for montaines.

@ 40-45 watts, they can be a few inches from the bulb and get this heat easily, without risk of burning.



I'd like to mention though, that most burns aren't life threatening. It's more a flesh wound than problematic. Polysporin has worked for the guys I've had with burns, and they are simple to take care of. It just takes time.

It really depends on your cage setup, but don't make the mistake of measuring temps at the 'DESIGNATED' basking spot. Because chameleons are arboreal, they will climb, and get within a few inches of the light.
 
I think it is best to set the temp at the area where the animal basks. if the animal has to get within 2" of the lamp in order to get to 90*, it's no wonder the animal will climb the top of the cage. In my experience adult melleri, veileds and panthers (larger adults species) don't climb on the top of screen cages. So the advice and warning about chams climbing IMO, seems most relevent to young and small species of chameleons. The screen is too small for a good grip (at least the screen on my cages) for adult veileds or panthers to climb. Ever since i started to tilt my lamps on their side a bit, I have had zero burn issues. All of the burns my animals have experienced have been caused from basking lamps being pointed straight down on top of the cage. It doesn't take much effort to get a clip lamp to tilt.
 
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