Lethargic Ambilobe

Calavera

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Cage Type - All mesh 2ft tall x 18 x 12
Lighting - Reptisun 5.0 UVB & zoomed 75 watt incandescent basking light
Temperature - 75 degrees with a 87 degree basking spot. Nighttime temp drops to about 70 degrees.
Humidity - Humidity is usually maintained at 60% by misting BID.
Plants - One living Ficus tree and all all other foliage is artificial.
Location - Cage is located in my room, with all my other herps.
Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - Male, F. pardalis (Blue bar Ambilobe), 7 months old. Feeding - Crickets as a staple (12 crickets, 4 times a week gutloaded with Flukers High calcium cricket feed) wax-worms and kingworms fed in between.
Supplements - Repcal Calcium w/ vit D3 & Miner-all w/o D3. 2 feedings with rep cal, one with minerall, and 1 without dust.
Watering - Dripper is on at all times (except when Chameleon is asleep) and the cage is sprayed twice daily.
Fecal Description - Normal "KING-SIZED" log and urate after spray. (see photo)
History - Purchased him at three months from the Kammers. Until now, he has been happy and healthy and has grown like crazy.
Current Problem - Today i woke up and found that Kelvin's heat lamp was burned out. He went most of the night without it and i didn't realize it was burned out because it is an infrared light. He was colder then he usually was, but in general, my house didn't get that cold last night (probably 70 degrees). I immediately replaced the infrared light with his normal 75 watt basking light. I then noticed that he seemed a bit lethargic and was more sluggish then he usually is. Anyone who owns a panther knows how active and fast they can be; Kelvin was not acting like this. He doesn't seem to be weak so to speak, just less fortified then his normal self. When he walks on my hand, his grip seems a bit less tight then it usually does, although he isn't falling or anything. I later noticed a bolus of partially masticated cricket matter, which he had vomited up (see photo). This primarily is what concerns me. He drank a bit more then usual today and afterwards, he began to open his mouth and remain with it open. He ate yesterday and does not appear any less skinny then his normal self. However, his eyes do appear slightly more sunken then they usually do. O average, he does not seem to enjoy drinking as much as my other chameleons do. Do you think he could be dehydrated? Whatever is wrong with him, it appears to have been onset very sudden. He did not appear this way yesterday. I would greatly appreciate ANY advice at all. I may be overacting, but i am very vigilant with his care and react to the most subtle changes in his behavior. I will just die if anything happens to him. I love him very much and we both would appreciate you help.

Cheers, Cala.
 

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I would be pretty concerned with the puke, but i don't know what would cause it. you said you witnessed him gaping for extended periods. Isn't that suspective of a respitory infections?
 
Are those pictures of him from today?
He looks pretty good.
Have you tried increasing his misting/given a shower?
Silkworms are great hydrators ... his poop does look a little dry.
No need at all for a night time heat lamp! They need for it to cool down at night.
Is he eating?

-Brad
 
You said he keeps his mouth open ... can you hear anything when he's breathing?
What are the temps? ambient and basking?

-Brad
 
i would switch what you feed him. the batch you have might be infected with something either from the food you gave them or if you orderd them online the food the supplier gave them
 
Yeah, those pictures of him are from about an hour ago. I agree, he does look great, which is odd considering he threw up. One more thing i noticed about 10 minutes ago is that he has a single spot of yellow near one of his blue bars. This is completely new. Is this indicative of any health problems? He has not eaten any crickets today. I will increase his misting sessions to TID and will try the shower method. Based on your experiences, how bad of a sign is it when a chameleon vomits? Here is a picture of the yellow spot i was referring to. Thanks again,

-cala-
 

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I would agree with Ken's assessment on the issue. Especially since the changed happen so quickly and the fact that he threw up what he last ate. Monitor your other Chameleon's as you are probably feeding them from the same supply that got your ambilobe sick. Try switching up his diet and see if this doesn't turn out better for him in a couple days. I have looked at hundreds and hundreds of picture's of Cham's and when I immediately saw the pic of your ambilobe I first thought, he just looks like he ate something bad. I'm no expert so don't hold me to that but if it continues make a quick stop at the vet. It's always better to be safe than sorry.
 
I actually have no experience with Panthers.
Just trying to help you troubleshoot and shed some more light on the situation.
More experienced keepers will chime in.

-Brad
 
Considering your habitat seems sound and the sudden onset of the symptoms combined with the puked food I'd say it was related to something he ate. Humans are not the only critters that can get food poisoning from something we eat. Keep a close eye on your animals and I'd switch out your current food items. How clean is the container you are keeping the food items in for example?

Keep him hydrated and see how he does after another 24 hours. If he still looks to you like he needs some help then a trip to the vet may needed.

Just my .02
 
Well, I am just updating everyone on Kelvin's health. He appears much more active, he has not vomited since, and he is eating waxworms and crickets. He doesnt seem to have the appetite he normally has, but he is still eating and has not lost any weight. Instead of eating his usual 10-12 waxworms or crickets in one setting, he may eat 5 or 6. My suspicion was that I may have gotten ahold of a bad stock of crickets or that the kingworms I started feeding him were a bit to chitinous for his stomach to handle. I am still keeping a close eye on him, however, i feel he is going to be fine.:D Thanks again everyone for the superb advice you consistantly give!

-Cala-
 
Wax worms are a poor feeder you should not feed that many. How is that yellow spot doing ? I thought it might be a burn.
 
The yellow spot went away within about 2 hours after it appeared. I am not using waxworms as a feeder, he is back on gut-loaded crickets. I was just using the worms to stimulate his appetite, as they are his favorite food item.
 
If the temperature is 70F in your room then he shouldn't need a heat source. I'm not sure, but its possible that chameleons can see infrared..lots of other lizards can see infrared.
 
I would definitely not use wax worms as an everyday feeder. Theyre really high in fat and should be only a couple at a time every other day or so. When one goes bad they normally spoil the rest of them. I wouldn't feed him any wax worms that are grey and dark in color, only feed the ones that are nice and plump and creamy yellow in coloration.
 
I agree with kinyonga...if you have the temp around 70 at night there is no need for a heat source at night, and it is possible for chams to be bothered by infrared. I have one other comment, the bark chips as a substrate in the cage could be a possible cause of the regurgitation. Keep us posted.

-chris
 
I would definitely not use wax worms as an everyday feeder. Theyre really high in fat and should be only a couple at a time every other day or so. When one goes bad they normally spoil the rest of them. I wouldn't feed him any wax worms that are grey and dark in color, only feed the ones that are nice and plump and creamy yellow in coloration.

Im not using these as feeders, i was just using them to stimulate his appetite. He only gets them as a treat.
 
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