Liquid calcium for quad female??--tips/info--

Hoj

Hoj

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So I have a female quad who has been dropping eggs all over her cage, 6 in three days now.
I dont believe they are fertile but I do imagine they are having a toll on her system. As she has decided to just drop them all over she has not bee digging and seems stong and not tierd from the process.
However I would like to give her some liquid calcium to help replace what has been used.
I have never acctually used the liquid calcium and was wondering if anyone had any info on ammount? if it needs to be diluted? tips on how to administer?

I do want to also figure out why she is layinng so irraticly, but I suspect it is due to not having a stable enviornment for any period of time as she has been with a few differant keepers and made 2 flights over the past 3-4 months.
Right now I am just happy she is able to get them out.

Thanks in advance

Hoj
 
My vet prescribed me Neo-Calglucon ML(calciquid) this is exactly what it says on the label on the bottle. Give 1-2 drops by mouth once daily as needed. When we got our rescue Cham (the female translucent veiled that's my profile pic) she came to us with MBD and laying eggs by spitting them out like a pez dispenser and was in rough shape from the added stress of the egg laying and we felt it was necessary for her to receive the extra calcium. We also use it on our female panthers when they are gravid as an extra precautionary. Hope this helps a bit.
 
I had a female that dropped eggs in a similar manner. I can only guess why, but since I'm always extremely cautious when messing with supplements (afraid of overdosing, etc.), I continued supplementing her in the same way that has been successful with my other post-gravid female quads. I've never used liquid calcium, so I can't really comment on them. Personally, I wouldn't be overly concerned. If she is acting normally and otherwise seems healthy, I'm sure she'll do just fine.

Interestingly, all the eggs from the clutch that was randomly scattered (the female made no effort to dig, etc.) were fully calcified and looked great. Between 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 months, the eggs started going bad, one by one. I cut open each egg and there was no sign whatsoever that any of them were even fertile. In most instances, in my experience with infertile eggs, the eggs will start to mold over within a week or two at the most. So, if that clutch was indeed infertile, I found it highly unusual that they went so long appearing as though they were good. If they were eggs of another species, I would say that embryogenesis was suspended (diapause). But, I've never heard of that with quad eggs, so I assume they were never fertile. Finally, when the last egg went bad, I fully expected to see the same thing upon opening the egg. To my surprise, however, that egg had a fully developed neonate.

Perry
 
Liquid calcium should not contain D3 in it as that can be easily overdosed and most human liquid calcium formulations do contain D3. So be careful which one you get. I had to get the good Neo-calglucon by prescription here. The dosage for MBD recovery is 1ml/kg twice a day for 30 days, then once a day for the next 30 days. For a maintenance type of dose it does not need to be that frequent. For example I supplement by panther female when she's gravid and immediately post-gravid twice a week with a dose of liquid calcium in addition to normal calcium dusting just to help her keep up with the need. So let's say the average cham is about 100g in weight, which is 1/10 a kg, so you'd give 0.1mL, which is essentially one small drop of liquid calcium per dose. Will this is fairly benign supplement as chams can excrete excess calcium less is not more in this situation. Even excreting extra can be a burden on their system, and if they are already burdened by anything else going on (such as egg production) you can place too much pressure on their bodies. The dose is small because they are small and should not be increased.

Disclaimer: This is the only dosage I will be giving publically since this is a pretty safe supplement that you can get OTC and not an actual medication.
 
Also I thought I would add to the the thread that I have been trying different laying bin mediums for my girl to try and get her digging and laying like normal.
I first tried the typical playsand, then just soil, and then a mixture of the two and bamm.. She was digging in there within 30min and has almost made it to the bottom in the last 2 hours.
I cant imagine she has many eggs left as she has dropped 8 now but I like that she is adopting a normal behaviour.
 
i was asked to chime in but it looks like everyone beat me to the punch. since it was tough for me to get NeoCalGlucon for a while, i actually went ahead and switched to Repashy's RescueCal Plus, which i also liked b/c it has added magnesium which NeoCalGlucon et al. do not have. and that can help muscle contractions in deficient animals too. also, since it's a powder you can mix up however much you want or need, and it's stable for 3 months at that point in the fridge. but the powder itself lasts forever which is handy. it's formulated to be an identical dose at 1ml/kg, so a typical female gets 0.1ml.

mine is in a jar, not the bags that i see online now, but that's irrelevant. it does require the use of a gram scale, some math and common sense. this page has a perfect description of the what, why, and how.

http://www.store.repashy.com/rescuecal-150g-bag.html

i have been doing a little experimenting lately and with a few of my females i've dosed them for about 3 days pre-laying, and for about 5 days post at a once daily dosing. i'm not going to claim that they're soaring through the air and color up like a male, but i have noticed that their appetites post laying seem to be huge relative to when i didn't use it. this is a small, 4 female sample, hardly scientific in any way. but knowing what they go through with egg-laying, i didn't think it could hurt at that dose, and i really don't remember them gobbling (still dusted) roaches post-laying like they have done now. maybe it will become part of my protocol, maybe not. but i'm getting 9 more adult females in this week, and will have 6 sister siblings. they might provide a better control with half-getting and half not. i'll let y'all know in the future what i observe.
 
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Wonderfull!! I acctually have a jar of recuecal I totally forogt about it till you mentioned it :)
So I guess I have options now :)
Other than the magnesium is there any benoft to going one way or the other??
 
Hoj said:
Wonderfull!! I acctually have a jar of recuecal I totally forogt about it till you mentioned it :)
So I guess I have options now :)
Other than the magnesium is there any benoft to going one way or the other??
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well, i think the Mg is worthwhile or else it wouldn't have been added, plus additional electrolytes on top of it. and buying the powder means it will last forever until it's mixed. those are the benefits, otherwise it's a draw b/c they are identical.
 
I use liquid calcium in my weekly feeding. What I do so I don't have to open her mouth physically (even though it can be done easily) cause she does not like it too much. I get a feeder or 2 like a couple of cricket 2 or 1 large super worm and ill inject 5 units in an 1/2 ml syringe into the feeder. Hold the 1 or 2 feeders out for her so I know she eats them. The rest of the feeders I just put in her cage for her to hunt down :p

hope this helps!
 
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