Locale comments

[chamden]

He certainly is a nice looking boy and very differant from what the typical animals look like in ambanja, but im still confused, was he wild caught or captive bred?

 

[Paul R]

One question is that his fired up colors in that pic? Or does he show that much red in a relaxed state.
And for the record I picked ambanja.

This is him when he is hot from basking in the sun and not in the best mood cause of me moving him to take pics!!

He generally remains this colour unless basking or sleeping, then generally darker or duller.

 

[Paul R]

He certainly is a nice looking boy and very differant from what the typical animals look like in ambanja, but im still confused, was he wild caught or captive bred?

Good day

His parents were wild caught and hand selected by the importer. Then a guy in South Africa only kept this pair and this is one of the offspring from that pair.

We currently have a problem in South Africa because ALL the ambanjas are inbred from the original supplier. Started off as one pair and now there are thousands. So we need a new bloodline of ambanja.....................

Anyway, hope that answers your question

 

[OldSkoolxReasons]

His parents being wild caught and hand selected by the importer doesn't guarantee he is 100% ambanja. It can probably guarantee his rfather was ambanja but there was a forum member who recently was selling babies from her Male Nosy Be and his wild caught girlfriend and they ended up not being 100% Nosy Be because it's impossible to tell a female locale by looking at her. Unless the female was hand collected with video evidence I would never trust an importer. I'm not saying that he isn't pure ambanja and I'm not saying that he isn't a cross either. I'm say that the are plenty of things that can go wrong during importation. Mislabeling, communal housing for female of different locales and such. If you could get proof that he was 100% pure ambanja I would gladly break the exportation laws of your country and by alot of those little babies of yours and smuggle them back somehow He is a near perfect panther specimen whatever his origin may be.


Justin

 

[laurie]

Ok ok ok ok

So this is my pardalis actually!! I said its a past clients to get you guys off a bit

Ok so i heard ambilobe which is a common comment and the Diego Suarez was interesting (I do see why you might of said that)

Ok so he is a pure Ambanja Majority said so too so well done!!

I got 174 eggs in incubation at the moment so his colours will pass on down the line........ Female is from the same region of course Thing is in South Africa laws are strict and we cant export to other countries

I have seen similar Ambanjas in pictures but nothing that really resembles mine....

Thanks all

Paul you are a tease. You have that beauty and can't share it. Lucky you.

 

[chameleonneeds]

His parents being wild caught and hand selected by the importer doesn't guarantee he is 100% ambanja. It can probably guarantee his rfather was ambanja but there was a forum member who recently was selling babies from her Male Nosy Be and his wild caught girlfriend and they ended up not being 100% Nosy Be because it's impossible to tell a female locale by looking at her. Unless the female was hand collected with video evidence I would never trust an importer. I'm not saying that he isn't pure ambanja and I'm not saying that he isn't a cross either. I'm say that the are plenty of things that can go wrong during importation. Mislabeling, communal housing for female of different locales and such. If you could get proof that he was 100% pure ambanja I would gladly break the exportation laws of your country and by alot of those little babies of yours and smuggle them back somehow He is a near perfect panther specimen whatever his origin may be.


Justin

Look can you prove that you have what you say you have? Like can you prove to us your females are what they are supposed to be? Can you prove what their mother is or grandmother? Chances are you cant.

This is an ambanja. Mine is the brother of this one and he is almost the same except mine is younger and has more green and wherever Pauls is red, mine is orange.

Open up your wallet and break our import/export problems because these are 100% ambanja.

 

[OldSkoolxReasons]

I wasn't saying anything about my collection at all because I have captive hatched animals as well as CB and now a couple wild caught. I obviously can't prove where they came from but I trust where the CB ones came from. I'm skeptical of any wild caught/ captive hatched chameleon. And like I said if they are 100% ambanja then I would love to get ahold of some somehow, however since I have no proof of that it does no good to me. It is a gorgeous chameleon either way. I just still have my doubts, because I am merely human and can't trust the word of one person half way across the world that I don't even know. In any case it is a stunningly good looking chameleon.

 

[toddmkeller]

Look can you prove that you have what you say you have? Like can you prove to us your females are what they are supposed to be? Can you prove what their mother is or grandmother? Chances are you cant.

This is an ambanja. Mine is the brother of this one and he is almost the same except mine is younger and has more green and wherever Pauls is red, mine is orange.

Open up your wallet and break our import/export problems because these are 100% ambanja.

Did you collect these animals yourself out of the countryside in the Ambanja region? Otherwise, what solid evidence do you have that these are "pure ambanja" LOL! what a joke...

 

[chameleonneeds]

You may contact the breeder of the chameleons if you really like, if that will make you feel better? Im not the only one saying that they are ambanja, just because its not like any other ambanja you have seen doesnt mean that it is in no way ambanja. They were the only ambanjas and the only locale brought into the country at that time, for all I know they could be smuggled, so there is no way different locals could have gotten mixed up.

 

[chameleonneeds]

Did you collect these animals yourself out of the countryside in the Ambanja region? Otherwise, what solid evidence do you have that these are "pure ambanja" LOL! what a joke...

You told me my panther is a mixed, and you said this one is ambanja, yet they are brothers . . . what a joke

 

[Chris Anderson]

I've just seen this thread and I have a few comments.

First, anyone who said this animal appears to have any Ambilobe blood has either never seen an Ambilobe or has no idea how to differentiate between locales. Having been to Ambilobe and taking into account the thousands more I've seen in person and in photos, this animal looks nothing like Ambilobe.

Secondly, This animal definitely appears to have Ambanja blood in him. The red patterning in particular is very Ambanja-like. That said, the color of the green in the rest of the body is very reminiscent to Nosy Be's and is nothing I've ever seen in Ambanjas. As a result, I have to say this animal appears to be a hybrid between an Ambanja and a Nosy Be, which is consistent to known hybrids that have been produced in captivity and show this same coloration/pattern.

Exporters/importers are not known for their honesty and trusting their word on the origin of a specimens locale is unreliable at best. You can have whatever faith you want in the locale you were told but I wouldn't purchase an animal from this bloodline, as it is evident to me that there is reason to question the purity of the bloodline's locale. That said, the specimen is very healthy and attractive, it simply is not what I would call a representative animal of a pure locale.

Chris