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krikinit
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Im all for healing. I have been there. The Chameleon can help you repurpose your life. It is well documented that stress kills chameleons. There are several biological factors, dehydration is one. I can guarantee that you can not provide proper husbandry while on the go. It can not talk to tell you what it needs. Your hubris will be its demise unless you change what you are doing. This is not an I Told You So moment. There are people here that have been raising Chameleon before you were born. Trust the advice and simply look forward to coming home to you new best friend. or dont, its not my dead cham walking.
Thehippie
Chameleon Enthusiast
Now remember that they can be social in the sense that they do on occasion crave interaction when food is involved but what it most important is the bond of trust you have with your chameleon if they trust you then they will come to you without a problem if they want to but if they do not it is important not to force them off the branch they're on. It should all be on the chameleons terms.
Thehippie
Chameleon Enthusiast
The thing that worries me is that it's a petco cham and that it may not be in the best condition to be in the streets since petco isn't exactly the best cham seller
jamest0o0
Chameleon Enthusiast
That doesn't mean they are social, that means they want food. Yes, they can get to know us enough that they trust us not to kill them. That doesn't mean they want carried around new york city. Anyway, this isn't even about that. What this person is doing is clearly wrong by a longshot.
JoXie411
Chameleon Enthusiast
Yea I seen your set up. It’s sooo wrong I’m so many ways. I would have been more happy to have seen the chameleon kitWhat makes you think my baby does not want to be my friend or is stressed out? Right now it is sitting on the back of my hair, it could leave any time but it likes being next to its mummy. One of its favourite places is swinging from mummy's hair like from a vine in the jungleI have a nice cage set up for it too.
jamest0o0
Chameleon Enthusiast
Don't defend this person just because of their sob story. We all have sob stories, doesn't mean it's an excuse to act stupidly.
Thehippie
Chameleon Enthusiast
its not that I want to defend her its that I want to point out that chameleons have an ability to bond with humans and humans bond with chameleons its not wrong to want what she is doing but it is wrong to do it
jamest0o0
Chameleon Enthusiast
Where's your proof?
Thehippie
Chameleon Enthusiast
chameleons who trust their owners will willingly go to them (knowing there may be food involved) but chameleons like my rescue who is actually much better will not come to people once they have been shown what humans can do to them that will affect them negatively. now Apollo has come willingly to me 3 times the rest of the times I'm cleaning his enclosure and need to take out the branch he is on. the build up of trust is what causes him to willingly come to me now but before when I first got him it took me a long time just to spot clean without getting bitten.
Trust/bond yes... But that cham is being taken all over the place. Hun it is asleep in over half the pics. This is a sign of stress and shut down. Not a sign of this is great lets go for ice cream.
Thehippie
Chameleon Enthusiast
exactly my point, I think you guys are misunderstanding me, I in no way want to support what she is doing but do want to express that chameleons will bond with their owners in certain circumstances
MrsM
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You really don’t have much control over what he breathes in or his temperature out like that so I’d be super careful! Cleaners, insecticide and aerosols could harm him and the air quality in manhattan sucks. There are rodents and pests everywhere so there are toxic pesticides being sprayed everywhere. Be careful.
He may seem content to be on you but how often is that his only option? Like when you are out? Freezing up is a defensive stance not a sign of Joy. Build trust. Have plants for him instead of a bed. If you love him don’t give him nyc give him as close to Madagascar as you can create. Then if you want to take him out maybe a few sunny outings to the park in a nice pop up screen hamper on a day when you know the temps will be good.
Just my two cents.
He may seem content to be on you but how often is that his only option? Like when you are out? Freezing up is a defensive stance not a sign of Joy. Build trust. Have plants for him instead of a bed. If you love him don’t give him nyc give him as close to Madagascar as you can create. Then if you want to take him out maybe a few sunny outings to the park in a nice pop up screen hamper on a day when you know the temps will be good.
Just my two cents.
Yes love... Just don't stress that in this thread. It will just lead her to believe that what she is doing is right. She should have adopted a purse puppy if she wanted something to carry around with her.
jamest0o0
Chameleon Enthusiast
It's not a miracle to get a chameleon to climb on you. I've seen it plenty of times and have had chameleons like that. Doesn't mean they are bonded to one person/people. Anyway, I really don't care about whether or not people think their chameleons love them and whatever. I think they can like our presence because we feed them, but anyone could replace us and they wouldn't care given that person fed them too. My main issue is that this kind of talk condones behavior like this. I'm sure you're good to your cham, but this person is torturing their animal with the same thinking, that their cham loves them.
Thehippie
Chameleon Enthusiast
good point, got brought up and I guess I went on a tangent lol my b, but yea, with some guidance and a lot of new information hopefully she will change, I am not here to bash anyone for their practices but not here to support wrong doing I want to just help and make sure that cham has a fighting chance, then I will know I have done my part in our little chamily
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