My Chameleons are mating!!! (As I type this!)

[Todnedo]

yikes...

congratulations on the copulation... I guess I hope it doesn't take because that seems like a lot of work for you and her. If it does take, I'm quite sure you can find homes for the babies that do not threaten the world of chameleon collectors. Contact the science teachers at the middle and high schools close to you, tell them what you have (this is after babies are hatched!). They'll almost certainly find kids who want to take the babies. Please do not do give any babies to kids until the babies are at least 3 months old.

I'm quite sure that some will decry this as horrible because kids can't possible handle chameleons, but I think those people are wrong. Teens are certainly capable of handling chameleons. They handle things they care about very well...the perception that they can't cope is largely based on adults expecting them to care about things teens find meaningless.

I'll also note that many of the people who will decry this as horrible probably advocate not incubating the eggs...I say, if we're writing off that life as not worthy, why not get some meaning out of the fertilized egg?

Many of us have had some pretty horrible early owner experiences....why not let some kids experience that with animals that would not benefit the breeding community? And, chances are, those kids will do fine by those chameleons and the kids will learn so, so much....

To me that sounds like a foolish endeaver.

 

[PedroANDAshley]

I would agree but then again...I wouldnt.
Chams have alot of work that gos into them and I dont think I would trust a teen with one...well not a teen from the age of 11-15 and it really depends on the teen too.
Some ARE more mature than others I mean look at this kid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x5rnt9VxK8

You can tell this kid cares. He has a couple other vids too.
He knows more than some adults do about chams!

 

[Elizadolots]

okay...first because it's oh, so much better not to bring the life into the world and let it serve a purpose.

If you've written the eggs off, why not let them provide educational opportunities?

P&A, note that I said to go through the science teachers...they'll be an important part of making sure that only kids who have the right mentality get the babies. Also, the teachers will be involved almost by default. They set this up, they'll care. So you'll know that there is an involved, intelligent, possibly informed expert paying attention.

Note that I only offer this up as a way to make sure you can place any babies you end up with...I'm sure others here will have excellent ideas on how to place those babies and will relate them.

 

[chameleonneeds]

You make teens sound like monsters Eliza

Im 15 and have the mentality to keep and breed chameleons And also to hopefully become one of the first in my country to own certain chameleon species.

 

[CleaTheChameleon]

Hey i gotta say that im a teen to and look at me. Im 13 and i have a clutch of 41 veiled eggs and 4 pygmy eggs incubating.

To me it doesn't matter of the age of the chameleon owner as long as they are over 12 years old and know how to take care of a chameleon properly. I am not saying i will go off and sell my babies to kids that dont know jack about chameleons.

BUT if the breeding does take, you DO incubate the eggs, and they hatch for you...there is no doubt in my mind that you will have a hard time finding a home.

My female was bred aroudn 10-11 months...and everyone jumped on me for that but she was the same size as her male. The male was no bigger then her so they did fine. Then 52 days later..she laid all her eggs without problems.

Do whats best is all im going to say, and take in thought of all the info the people on this forum tell you. This is as close to perfect info you will get.

 

[pssh]

I don't think you should even limit the age. I was perfectly capable of caring for a chameleon when I was 7, and I did and still am. My boy lived to be almost 7.

You just have to make sure they care about the animal. Maybe I'm an oddball, but there are other oddballs out there, and I'm sure some would love chameleons.

 

[renzo0684]

who knows she may not even have a clutch. Chameleons can be like humans and not get pregnant their first time (I am kidding) =]

 

[CleaTheChameleon]

I don't think you should even limit the age. I was perfectly capable of caring for a chameleon when I was 7, and I did and still am. My boy lived to be almost 7.

You just have to make sure they care about the animal. Maybe I'm an oddball, but there are other oddballs out there, and I'm sure some would love chameleons.

I was just trying to say that kids that are chameleon owners around 12 is when i think they start to be more mature and take care of the chameleon as most 7 year olds think its a toy. Pssh im not saying you did. Just my opinion

 

[pssh]

I know, which is why I said they have to care about the chameleon. my brother is like me, except he doesn't like chameleons. But he was perfectly capable of taking care of animals all by him self. In fact, he has and does (again, just not chameleons.)

That said, there are some kids I would never let Pet/hold an animal (maybe a medium-big dog) let alone take care of one.

 

[Lizardlover]

So what does buying or selling a cross female have to do with buying a mislabled non cross female again?
Oh, right, nothing.
What happened to Julirs has nothing to do with crosses but bad salesmanship practices.
Sadly, this can happen to anyone even if crosses weren't around.

Harry

I was proving a point that it is extremely difficult to differentiate between localities of females.

So what was the relevance of your post? Oh, right, none.

 

[Lizardlover]

Hey i gotta say that im a teen to and look at me. Im 13 and i have a clutch of 41 veiled eggs and 4 pygmy eggs incubating.

To me it doesn't matter of the age of the chameleon owner as long as they are over 12 years old and know how to take care of a chameleon properly. I am not saying i will go off and sell my babies to kids that dont know jack about chameleons.

BUT if the breeding does take, you DO incubate the eggs, and they hatch for you...there is no doubt in my mind that you will have a hard time finding a home.

My female was bred aroudn 10-11 months...and everyone jumped on me for that but she was the same size as her male. The male was no bigger then her so they did fine. Then 52 days later..she laid all her eggs without problems.

Do whats best is all im going to say, and take in thought of all the info the people on this forum tell you. This is as close to perfect info you will get.

That was extremley irrelevant. I was taking care of chameleons when I was 7, whats wrong with that. Maybe you didnt think your chameleon was a toy at age 12 but you still did not understand them, and how they are, anyone can start at any age with chameleons and they will learn about the animal. You can only learn by experience.

 

[skully23]

wow, really people!? How about instead of critisizing you actually provide some help and advice. Thank You.

I agree with you. I find it amusing that people attack rather than help. I have cared for lizards since I was around 7-8. Not chameleons but many other types...I was and still am capable of caring. Don't attack schmitt because he asking something very important. This may have been discussed but I skimmed the thread and not much information is given.

Schmitt try to look up as much information as you can before the female does have eggs. Keep reading this thread and find the positive help.
And all of you who keep attacking about age and they shouldn't give "kids" females..thats not even agreeable. I think anyone who is willing to care for an animal has the ability to form their brain to keeping it alive. Nothing with animals is impossible.
Good luck Schmitt

 

[CleaTheChameleon]

That was extremley irrelevant. I was taking care of chameleons when I was 7, whats wrong with that. Maybe you didnt think your chameleon was a toy at age 12 but you still did not understand them, and how they are, anyone can start at any age with chameleons and they will learn about the animal.You can only learn by experience.

It was an opinion Danny. I didn't mean to upset you.

You are right to when you say "You can only learn by experience."

 

[Olimpia]

Age is irrelevant here, I think. I've had animals since I was 6 and those early pets didn't live very long but only because I never had internet in Spain. It wasn't until I moved to the US and had access to information that my husbandry skills improved dramatically. This person could be 12, 32, or 76, it doesn't matter because as long as you want to learn there is plenty of information to be found. That being said, it is better that the original poster find some good books on the subject and do a lot of searching to find the answers you are lookin for. Ask specific questions so we know what to help you with, after you've read how to breed from different sources.

My opinion is that you don't incubate the little ones, just because 20+ babies are a lot to take care of, and unless you can fit them at home and have time to place them each in good homes then it's better not to incubate them. And this is nothing against crossed locale chameleons, because I'm a big fan, it's just that people can barely give away a couple animals as it is, imagine all 20!

 

[tkilgour]

Congrats on the copulation even if it was unexpected. Nature happenes, so something like this isn't surprising. People always gripe about age here on this forum. Weight to me is more important. You should have a digital scale and keep record of your girls weight. That will be a helpful method in future breeding. Yes, I agree a year or older is a good guidline to follow. However, if your female is a nice weight and receptive at 10 months old then let them do their thing.

As far as selling crosses, their is absolutely nothing wrong with it. Just make sure you tell people exactly what cross they are and there isn't an issue. What happened to julirs is a problem she had and isn't relative as long as you sell the babies as what they truly are. This is an issue with the person who sold her a female and is something to watch out for.

 

[Julirs]

As far as selling crosses, their is absolutely nothing wrong with it. Just make sure you tell people exactly what cross they are and there isn't an issue. What happened to julirs is her problem and isn't relative as long as you sell the babies as what they truly are. This is an issue with the person who sold her a female and is something to watch out for.

Master tkilgour-please tell me I am reading what you just wrote wrong. In fact I did not even bring ME up in this thread. What actually happened is that the WC female turned out to not be Nosy-that was not even the sellers issue but a mismark on the shipment. That happens-I was never mad or blamed anyone for that! Why did you just attack me? If I am reading that wrong, I apologize in advance.

 

[Olimpia]

Yea, that sounded a bit off too.

There's nothing wrong with selling crosses, it's just difficult.

 

[tkilgour]

Master tkilgour-please tell me I am reading what you just wrote wrong. In fact I did not even bring ME up in this thread. What actually happened is that the WC female turned out to not be Nosy-that was not even the sellers issue but a mismark on the shipment. That happens-I was never mad or blamed anyone for that! Why did you just attack me? If I am reading that wrong, I apologize in advance.

Yes, you read wrong, and you were not attacked. In the earlier post you were mentioned getting a different locale than you expected. I never said you were mad or blamed anyone. I said this is a problem you had specifically and not a problem the OP has.

 

[Julirs]

Yes, you read wrong, and you were not attacked. In the earlier post you were mentioned getting a different locale than you expected. I never said you were mad or blamed anyone. I said this is a problem you had specifically and not a problem the OP has.

Thank you for fixing tkilgour-now I can see what you were trying to say.

Clea and Lizardlover-you need to stop arguing.

 

[warpdrive]

I was proving a point that it is extremely difficult to differentiate between localities of females.

So what was the relevance of your post? Oh, right, none.

Sadly no, you tried to make a point about cross females using Julirs as an example...
As well as stating your opinion in selling such females as some sort of factual agreement within the community.
Non of witch is helpful to the original poster or the stated community.

If all you are here for is to argue, the debate club is this way----->

Harry