my chameleon's poop is broken

[ckb1031]

i was helped 10days ago
(https://www.chameleonforums.com/threads/chameleon-not-eating-and-trying-to-escape.156680/)
( Please read that thread )
vet said my cham is infected with parasites.
he showed me parasite's egg by a microscope.
but he don't knowed what kind of parasite
because he was dog/cat expert (in korea, it is hard to find a reptile expert doctor)

so, my choice was panacur(fenbendazole) - (common and easy to obtain)
I gave three days ' panacur(dusting with a super worm,force feeded beacause he is not eating 1month) but I stopped because I didn't get it.
and, that picture is result.(I will take a picture of the microscope from the vet tomorrow.)

I can't figure out how to solve the problem.. I think he's dying.... HELP ME~~

 

[xrowdac]

damn parasite...its gonna be a spiral down from here onwards... hope u can find a solution ASAP... all the best..

 

[Alexander1]

Well keep him very hydrated, the medication can dehydrate him. 1 week is not that long for an animal that weight. My veiled has gone almost a month without eating

 

[Extensionofgreen]

Panacur treats worms, which usually don't cause loose stools. You need to be treating for coccidia, giardia, or flagellate/amoeba infection. Try to do a google image search of reptile parasites and match what your vet showed you to the closest image. There may have and probably are worms present as well, but I'm doubting that's the cause of the liquid stools. Good luck.

 

[ckb1031]

Panacur treats worms, which usually don't cause loose stools. You need to be treating for coccidia, giardia, or flagellate/amoeba infection. Try to do a google image search of reptile parasites and match what your vet showed you to the closest image. There may have and probably are worms present as well, but I'm doubting that's the cause of the liquid stools. Good luck.

are these parasites (coccidia, giardia, or flagellate/amoeba) easy to care?

 

[kinyonga]

The first thing you need to do is identify the parasite then you can find the proper treatment to get rid of the parasite. Here is some information on identification...
http://chamworld.blogspot.ca/2008/01/parasites-warning-this-health-chapter.html

Treating coccidia...
http://ezinearticles.com/?Treating-Your-Chameleon-for-Coccidia&id=5256628

Treating parasites...
http://www.reptilesmagazine.com/Reptile-Health/Disease-Management/Treating-Reptiles-For-Parasites/

More...
https://www.chameleonforums.com/threads/fecal-float-pictures.125649/page-2

Hope this helps!

 

[Extensionofgreen]

Generally, yes, with the proper, generally readily available medications. Metronidazole and you'll have to look up the latest maesicatiom they use for coccidia in reptiles, as it escapes me. The treatment for coccidia can be hard on a dehydrated animal, so hydrate, hydrate, hydrate.

 

[Andee]

And you have to practice super cleanliness between any other reptiles, and making sure to clean his viv every day. I would throw out anything that can't be disinfected really easy. amoebas can be annoying to deal with as far as killing off with disinfectants and keeping everything clean.

 

[Blang]

Generally, yes, with the proper, generally readily available medications. Metronidazole and you'll have to look up the latest maesicatiom they use for coccidia in reptiles, as it escapes me. The treatment for coccidia can be hard on a dehydrated animal, so hydrate, hydrate, hydrate.

For coccidia you can use ponazuril or toltrazuril, it's the newest drug for treating coccidia! Don't use albon,

 

[Extensionofgreen]

@Blang has the correct options for coccidia listed.

 

[xrowdac]

may be a diarrhea...

 

[ckb1031]

The first thing you need to do is identify the parasite then you can find the proper treatment to get rid of the parasite. Here is some information on identification...
http://chamworld.blogspot.ca/2008/01/parasites-warning-this-health-chapter.html

Treating coccidia...
http://ezinearticles.com/?Treating-Your-Chameleon-for-Coccidia&id=5256628

Treating parasites...
http://www.reptilesmagazine.com/Reptile-Health/Disease-Management/Treating-Reptiles-For-Parasites/

More...
https://www.chameleonforums.com/threads/fecal-float-pictures.125649/page-2

Hope this helps!

I went to the animal hospital.
This picture was taken 10 days ago.

can see the parasite eggs.
vet was give to me medicine(for 3days)

and today

vet said no parasites eggs(he said he was trying to find), no badly germs
but can find unconfirmed black spots. and he don't know these spots(he thinks something that wasn't digested)
I received the medicine.
The medicines are which is effects diarrhea, extermination of parasites(some effect), probiotics

my cham is still not eating
the weight decreased from 133 grams to 122 grams.(11grams=0.39oz=0.024lb) but still have nice color
he is slightly thinner than before, but he looks healthy.
If you know the those unconfirmed black spots, please help me.

 

[Extensionofgreen]

Since they are so numerous and fairly uniform
in size and shape, I'm going to go out on a limb, without having the chance to refresh my memory from my days as a vet tech and say they are parasitic cyst. Giardia and ameobas can encapsulate themselves in response to medications. I do recall that giardia can be treated with panacur, but I believe the odds are much higher that you had coccidia and the medication in Panacur, Fenbendazole is not going to treat that. I would look up the two images on a google search, coccidia and giardia, confirm my suspicions that you are dealing with one or the other ( use the first set of photos for comparison, not the black dots ) and get the proper medication, or you may have the problem come back.
The stress of handling and medication, as well as the meds themselves will cause a chameleon to not eat. Place a few soft feeders, such as silkworms in his mouth, when your medicating and have him swallow them.

 

[ckb1031]

Since they are so numerous and fairly uniform
in size and shape, I'm going to go out on a limb, without having the chance to refresh my memory from my days as a vet tech and say they are parasitic cyst. Giardia and ameobas can encapsulate themselves in response to medications. I do recall that giardia can be treated with panacur, but I believe the odds are much higher that you had coccidia and the medication in Panacur, Fenbendazole is not going to treat that. I would look up the two images on a google search, coccidia and giardia, confirm my suspicions that you are dealing with one or the other ( use the first set of photos for comparison, not the black dots ) and get the proper medication, or you may have the problem come back.
The stress of handling and medication, as well as the meds themselves will cause a chameleon to not eat. Place a few soft feeders, such as silkworms in his mouth, when your medicating and have him swallow them.

You think my cham is still infected parasites? i gaved panacur 2times/2days
so I think it's higher probability [coccidia(high)>>>>giardia(low)]
I could find the toltrazuril [for pigs, for chickens.] I think you are more professional than the animal hospital where I come from.
so I'm trying to administer the medicine(toltrazuril) instead of the medicine that the vet gave me.

those black spots = encapsulate parasites? or is it still an unknown object?

 

[Andee]

I think the best way to clean for Coccidia is ammonia, though not positive, but get rid of any live plants, dirt, porous vines or branches, and then just do something that is super easy to clean really well for now. I DO remember bleach is not the best for coccidia.

 

[Blang]

You think my cham is still infected parasites? i gaved panacur 2times/2days
so I think it's higher probability [coccidia(high)>>>>giardia(low)]
I could find the toltrazuril [for pigs, for chickens.] I think you are more professional than the animal hospital where I come from.
so I'm trying to administer the medicine(toltrazuril) instead of the medicine that the vet gave me.

those black spots = encapsulate parasites? or is it still an unknown object?

The dose for toltrazuril is 0.04 ml per 100 grams of Chameleon using 5% toltrazuril , so if he's 150 grams his dose would be 0.06 ml for 3 days!

 

[Andee]

Love the forum <3

 

[Extensionofgreen]

@ferretinmyshoes, can you assist this poster further, please?

 

[ckb1031]

at the morning

Looks like a dead body(pin worms)

 

[ckb1031]

[ 14 hours elapsed ]
right picture is Dismantled poop

hi guys

health has improved a lot. THX!!!!!
good eating, better poop
that poop look like in the tube