My Poor Baby

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My poor little Charlize seems to be heading back downhill. Here’s the story for those of you who are not familiar with Charlize and myself.

Charlize is a juvenile Jackson’s Chameleon that I rescued from Petco. She was being kept in deplorable conditions and the vet said she would have been dead within the week had I left her there. She was kept in a small glass tank with a single long branch for her to cling to, the humidity was nearly 0%, the temperature was around 70 degrees, she had no UVB, and it appeared she was only being fed meal worms which had burrowed down into the dirt substrate they had her on. Her right eye was infected and swollen shut, she was malnourished and would not eat, her skin was dry and brittle, she had lesions around her mouth, and throat, and had clearly given up on life. I took her home and did my best to tend to her, which included numerous vet visits. Her eye seemed to heal with time, medicine and care; however, it never fully returned to normal. It appears the infection caused permanent damage, and I believe her to be blind in that eye. Under @Andee 's instruction I have been syringe feeding her for the majority of the time I’ve hard her. Within the last could of weeks I have been trying to encourage her to eat on her own by cup feeding her, but she has not taken to it. I’ve returned to syringe feeding, as I fear she can not hunt with out the use of her right eye. I had a breakthrough about two weeks back when she finally shed. It was a long process but we got through it without any complications. Unfortunately, despite this seeming;y like good news things have been downhill since then.

Charlize now sleeps almost 24/7. She almost never opens her eyes, even when I move her or feed her. This does not surprise me for her bad eye, but her good eye never seemed to have any issues and still looks healthy. Despite this she refuses to open her eyes and almost never moves. While trying to cup feed I would place her on the cup so she would be aware of it, and often I would come back later to find her in the exact same position. She rarely searches out a basking spot, so I manually put her in an area that she can bask. All in all I’m not sure what more I can do for her. I’ve tired to give her as ideal of a life as possible, but it seems my efforts are for not. I am defeated and depressed, and truly sad I have not been able to help her. She’s only been in my care for a few months, but I already cherish her and so desperately want to see her happy and healthy.

At this point I just don’t know what to do. Part of me wants to seek out a reptile rescue and send her there in the hopes of some professionals being able to help her. However, I fear shipping would only worsen her situation. Furthermore, I fear she’s just beyond help with how comatose she’s become. As much as it breaks my heart I’m curious if putting her down is the right choice. As I said, I do cherish her despite the little time I’ve had her. Still, her comfort is what matters most to me. If anyone has any input I would be oh so grateful. I'm posting this in general discussion because I'm more interested in advice for moving forward, as opposed to specific health advice. Between talking to members on here and a few veterinarians I feel there's not much more I can do for her. I would get some current pictures of her, but I don't want to bother her any more right now. I'll try and get some the next time I feed her.
 
My poor little Charlize seems to be heading back downhill. Here’s the story for those of you who are not familiar with Charlize and myself.

Charlize is a juvenile Jackson’s Chameleon that I rescued from Petco. She was being kept in deplorable conditions and the vet said she would have been dead within the week had I left her there. She was kept in a small glass tank with a single long branch for her to cling to, the humidity was nearly 0%, the temperature was around 70 degrees, she had no UVB, and it appeared she was only being fed meal worms which had burrowed down into the dirt substrate they had her on. Her right eye was infected and swollen shut, she was malnourished and would not eat, her skin was dry and brittle, she had lesions around her mouth, and throat, and had clearly given up on life. I took her home and did my best to tend to her, which included numerous vet visits. Her eye seemed to heal with time, medicine and care; however, it never fully returned to normal. It appears the infection caused permanent damage, and I believe her to be blind in that eye. Under @Andee 's instruction I have been syringe feeding her for the majority of the time I’ve hard her. Within the last could of weeks I have been trying to encourage her to eat on her own by cup feeding her, but she has not taken to it. I’ve returned to syringe feeding, as I fear she can not hunt with out the use of her right eye. I had a breakthrough about two weeks back when she finally shed. It was a long process but we got through it without any complications. Unfortunately, despite this seeming;y like good news things have been downhill since then.

Charlize now sleeps almost 24/7. She almost never opens her eyes, even when I move her or feed her. This does not surprise me for her bad eye, but her good eye never seemed to have any issues and still looks healthy. Despite this she refuses to open her eyes and almost never moves. While trying to cup feed I would place her on the cup so she would be aware of it, and often I would come back later to find her in the exact same position. She rarely searches out a basking spot, so I manually put her in an area that she can bask. All in all I’m not sure what more I can do for her. I’ve tired to give her as ideal of a life as possible, but it seems my efforts are for not. I am defeated and depressed, and truly sad I have not been able to help her. She’s only been in my care for a few months, but I already cherish her and so desperately want to see her happy and healthy.

At this point I just don’t know what to do. Part of me wants to seek out a reptile rescue and send her there in the hopes of some professionals being able to help her. However, I fear shipping would only worsen her situation. Furthermore, I fear she’s just beyond help with how comatose she’s become. As much as it breaks my heart I’m curious if putting her down is the right choice. As I said, I do cherish her despite the little time I’ve had her. Still, her comfort is what matters most to me. If anyone has any input I would be oh so grateful. I'm posting this in general discussion because I'm more interested in advice for moving forward, as opposed to specific health advice. Between talking to members on here and a few veterinarians I feel there's not much more I can do for her. I would get some current pictures of her, but I don't want to bother her any more right now. I'll try and get some the next time I feed her.
Im so sorry about your situation it is always extremely hard to see them deteriorate. If you live in a place where it is sunny you can take her outside for some natural sunlight because they like that a lot. If you have any exotic vets within driving distance I would do that as well, and if not you can give one a call and talk to them on the phone and ask what you can do to help save her. Try filling a bottle with warm water and mist her for awhile to help her flush out her eye, and if you think it is safe and not too stressful for her try to give her a shower (warm water with the shower head faced against the wall with her on a plant so she gets fine mist on her). If you think that there is no way for her to recover, as hard as it is you could also put her down so she isn't in pain anymore although I only recommend this if you think there is no way you can help her.
 
Thanks for the response @serenaj25. I've been getting her out in the sun frequently actually, which seems to make her slightly more active. I actual have a local veterinarian who specializes in Chameleons, and that's who we've been seeing for the past few months. She's been wonderful throughout this process. I've done warm misting, but have avoided showers as even misting seems to stress her significantly. I agree that euthanization is an absolute last resort, which is why I'd even consider relinquishing her to a rescue if there's a chance anyone can help her more than I can. I'm just not sure what more I can do at this point.
 
Thanks for the response @serenaj25. I've been getting her out in the sun frequently actually, which seems to make her slightly more active. I actual have a local veterinarian who specializes in Chameleons, and that's who we've been seeing for the past few months. She's been wonderful throughout this process. I've done warm misting, but have avoided showers as even misting seems to stress her significantly. I agree that euthanization is an absolute last resort, which is why I'd even consider relinquishing her to a rescue if there's a chance anyone can help her more than I can. I'm just not sure what more I can do at this point.
Hmmm. I would wait a few more days and keep doing what you are doing and see if she is getting better or worse. Is she eating and drinking still?
 
Hmmm. I would wait a few more days and keep doing what you are doing and see if she is getting better or worse. Is she eating and drinking still?

Nope, her only source of food or water comes from the liquid food I feed her via syringe.
 
Her ambient temperature ranges from 70 - 75 degrees, her basking spot ranges from 75 - 85 degrees, and the humidity sits around 60% - 80%.
that seems good, do you have any idea what else it could be that Is making her worse? Have you gotten her any antibiotics for the eye infection?
 
that seems good, do you have any idea what else it could be that Is making her worse? Have you gotten her any antibiotics for the eye infection?

Yeah, she's had antibiotics for her eye and for the lesions on her skin. I honestly have no idea why things aren't getting better. I think her vivarium is about as ideal as it can be. Her diet and supplementation are pretty much spot on. I'm just not sure.
 
Hey sweetie, I am so sorry to hear about your baby. She has been through the wringer for sure... one question... I don't remember. Does she have an artificial uvb light on her?
 
Yeah, she's had antibiotics for her eye and for the lesions on her skin. I honestly have no idea why things aren't getting better. I think her vivarium is about as ideal as it can be. Her diet and supplementation are pretty much spot on. I'm just not sure.
Yea you seem to be doing everything the right way. I hate to say it but sometimes they just don't make it and from what you said in your first post it sounds like her conditions at the pet store were terrible and sometimes they can't recover from such harsh conditions.
 
Hey sweetie, I am so sorry to hear about your baby. She has been through the wringer for sure... one question... I don't remember. Does she have an artificial uvb light on her?

Yeah, she has a ZooMed T8 Reptisun 10.0 UVB Strip.
 
Try turning off the ugh for a couple days? Have we tried that yet? 10.0 is rather strong especially for a jackson
 
Try turning off the ugh for a couple days? Have we tried that yet? 10.0 is rather strong especially for a jackson

Nope, first time I've heard that suggestion. I'll turn it off and see if anything changes. What would be better for her once I do reintroduce it?
 
5.0 and lots of coverage near the basking range of it so she can easily move in and out of it. If she gets an hour of natural sunlight every other day she wouldn't likely even need it. I leave Ryker out for several hour during the day and he's shown huge improvements with eye issues now that he has no artificial uvb. I made him a DIY outdoor cage that cost like 40 dollars at most other than the plants. He goes out everyday as long as the ambient temps allow and as long as it isn't raining, even if it's cloudy. Some days when we have rain he doesn't go out for like 3-4 days but he's only shown improvements. He now sees for sure where he's walking but can't see feeders yet.
 
I unfortunately don't have any more advice to share, but I just wanted to say I am sorry to hear she isn't doing well and will keep her in my prayers she starts feeling better.
 
I appreciate the kind words everyone, it really means a lot. I'm going to try taking away the UCB as Andee mentioned, and maybe give her a day or two without food so that I can just completely let her be. Maybe having 48 hours completely on her own will help her relieve a bit of stress. It's been a constant downpour here for the last few days, so we haven't gotten any outside time either. Hopefully that will change in the next few days.
 
Yea you seem to be doing everything the right way. I hate to say it but sometimes they just don't make it and from what you said in your first post it sounds like her conditions at the pet store were terrible and sometimes they can't recover from such harsh conditions.
Serenaj25 you probably shouldn't respond to this thread since you have no experience with montanes but you also have no experience with successfully keeping a chameleon healthy from what I know. You got an extremely healthy baby from an amazing breeder from what i know and you are still doing badly with them and that's because you refuse to take advice.
 
Oh it is so hard to see them like this. We had a Jackson for a long time and Sadly he got very sick a few months ago and he didn't pull through. Check to see where you are getting the food from. Ours did really well for years and then we got a bad batch of crickets from Petco. (that was the only thing that had changed in his routine). It was almost like he was poisoned. Unfortunately the vet wasn't able to do anything. We raised our own crickets, and then there were two places we would get them as well when we were running low or if they were to small to give him. The last batch of crickets that we had from Petco smelt awful. I didn't think of it at the time, but I should have realized. The vet said if they are too large and are a very dark color it is best not to feed them those ones. Good Luck. They are such beautiful creatures.
 
Serenaj25 you probably shouldn't respond to this thread since you have no experience with montanes but you also have no experience with successfully keeping a chameleon healthy from what I know. You got an extremely healthy baby from an amazing breeder from what i know and you are still doing badly with them and that's because you refuse to take advice.

@serenaj25, I don't mean to come off as harsh (I would have editted my original post but it has been too long), it's just... I honestly think you should get some more experience under your belt. You started out with healthy babies from Kammer's and from @Matt Vanilla Gorilla, there should be no reason they got as sick as they did if you asked the forum within time and the breeders you got them from. Especially if you take them to the vet when it gets bad. I honestly don't think you have enough experience yet to give sound advice... I don't want you to think I am mad, I don't want you to think I am putting you down, because I am not. But this situation is nothing like yours. This jackson came from a petstore and she was in horrible condition from the get go, she needs extremely different care than any species you have had so far, in my opinion she's not too far gone to just write her off as some statistic that some are just not meant to make it. In my opinion, the infection that was originally in her eye has caused her eyes to likely be more sensitive to lighting than most chameleons. It just takes time to figure it out.

@ReqRep I definitely agree with just misting her well the next few days, turning her uvb light off, and not feeding for a couple days. Just give her some time to destress. She is likely majorly freaked out. Unless you see her spiraling down even worse, then I would worry <3
 
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