Need Help and suggestions/ stopped eating

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1 male Ambilobe born 7-25-14, 1 male Nosey Be born 6-28-14, aprox 3 mo old when purchased.
Habitat/ enclosure: started out 18" x 18"x 24", then moved to 24" x 24"x 48" aluminum screen on all sides, including floor. Tray underneath to catch access water. Kept indoors when weather does not warm enough. Each male in their own enclosure since arrival, but cages always side by side. Grew up together. When I first noticed them not eating well, I put a visual block between the two enclosures.
Lighting: 18" full spectrum tropical bulb, 15W. 60W deep dome heat lamp/bulb, 60W full spectrum daylight bulb, on each enclosure. I write the da the on the light fixture when bulbs are changed to keep track that they don't pass their date of being effective.
Feeding: gut loaded crickets from Premium Crickets, then fed with Flukers high calcium cricket diet, orange cubes and cricket quencher. Also feed with super worms and mealworms, and now and then wax worms. All calcium dusted (Reptile calcium ultra fine precipitated calcium carbonate with vit D3 by Zoo Med, daily. Rep-cal phosphorus- free calcium with vit D3 a few times a month)
before offered. No wild caught insects offered, due to insecticides, etc.
Humidity: Monsoon mister (very fine mist every hour. Distilled water only)
Dripping water ( distilled only)
Plants: all plants are live, full and vine type (The unofficial name:Angel plants)
Since flooring is screen, easily cleaned out and no over moisture issues like mold. Fecal matter and dead leaves cleaned out ever few days, weekly at most.
I also have Repti-vine strung and looped around( 2 separate sizes ) to allow them to get above the foliage and up closer to the light and heat. Also have fiberglass poles to wrap plant vines around and to add stable waterproof climbing material.
Fecal matter has been "normal" color and texture: med brown with white.

When I first noticed the Ambilobe was not eating well, aprox 3 weeks ago, I began making changes to try to figure out the problem.
First I put a visual barrier between the 2 cages. Thinking now that they are mature, it may upset them to be next to eachother.
Next I put all new bulbs in, even though they were not all needing to be replaced yet. I began adding more variety of worms then usual, hoping to stimulate appetite. The Nosey Be is also slowing down on his eating and pooping.
I've gone over everything I can think of, over and over.
It warmed up outside again, so I have them out in the natural sunlight daily. (still with misting and dripping)
The only thing I can think of is the calcium. Maybe they are actually getting TOO MUCH??? Is that possible? I have always been worried that they wouldn't get enough so I always dust food.
Any suggestions???? I'm at a loss!!
I live in a rural area with no large vet resources close. The vets here are not big on people owning "exotic reptiles"
Someone on the forum asked when I had the fecal matter tested. I never had. I didn't know it should be part of my routene. Any suggestions on where to take it or send it to have it tested?
The Ambilobe started to become more dark in color, staying lower in his enclosure. He has days where his coloring is better and he is more active.
I know with their slow metabolism, once you notice a problem, it's been going on for a while. It's also hard to tell, what changes are helping because recovery is slow also.
They were doing so well, I purchased females ( just juveniles now ) not kept near the males at all. I was hoping to breed them in the future.
Now my males have me worried.
 
Hi sorry to hear about your chams. Can you post some pics of them and their enclosures?
Besides not eating How is their grip is it weak or normal? Are they having trouble moving around or any trembling or weakness? How are their eyes any swelling, discharge or closing? We're their tongues shooting normally before they stopped eating. The more information you can give the better.
 
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Thanks for reply

Their grip seems good. A week ago was the worst. The Ambilobe was so out of it, I was able to hold him. He was motionless, but his grip was still strong. I'm trying to figure out how to attach pics. ( I'm tech-challenged!!) I don't make a habit of holding my panthers, however, I'm trying to interact more with the females I just got, from the beginning.
 
I didn't see full width linear UVB bulbs for cage tops in description. If you have 48" tall cages, they should have T5 HO bulbs. Either a Zoomed Reptisun 5.0 (10.0 for a very heavy foliage cage) or an Arcadia 6% (12% for heavy foliage). I keep two 18"x18"x36" cages side by side (w/ divider) and a 36" T5 HO dual linear hood stretching across the top. It sounds like they are at the perfect age and time for a D3 issue from UVB lack. Unsure what you meant by full spectrum. If I misread, please ignore and I apologize.
 
You said..."Lighting: 18" full spectrum tropical bulb, 15W. 60W deep dome heat lamp/bulb, 60W full spectrum daylight bulb, on each enclosure. I write the da the on the light fixture when bulbs are changed to keep track that they don't pass their date of being effective."...full spectrum including UVB ?
You said..."Feeding: gut loaded crickets from Premium Crickets, then fed with Flukers high calcium cricket diet, orange cubes and cricket quencher"...your feeding / gutloading should be better. I would recommend for crickets, roaches, locusts, superworms, mealworms. That you feed them a wide assortment of greens such as collards, escarole, endive, dandelion greens, kale, etc and veggies such as carrots, sweet red pepper, squash, zucchini, sweet potato, etc.

You said..."Also feed with super worms and mealworms, and now and then wax worms. All calcium dusted (Reptile calcium ultra fine precipitated calcium carbonate with vit D3 by Zoo Med, daily. Rep-cal phosphorus- free calcium with vit D3 a few times a month)"...its recommended that you dust with a phosphorous-free calcium powder at most feedings to make up for the usually poor ratio of calcium to phosphorous found in most feeder insects.

It's recommended that you dust only twice a month with a phosphorous-free calcium / D3 powder. D3 from supplements can build up in the system and lead to health issues but D3 from exposure to UVB won't likely as long as the chameleon can move in and out of the UVB when it wants to.

You said the plants Angel plants...we need to know the scientific name because there are lots of plants with that name and some are poisonous.

You said..."The only thing I can think of is the calcium. Maybe they are actually getting TOO MUCH??? Is that possible? I have always been worried that they wouldn't get enough so I always dust food...you have to really overdo calcium before it's too much. Nutrient issues more often can be due to an imbalance between D3, vitamin A and calcium and even lack of uvb or inappropriate temperatures.

The above is not necessarily pertaining to the loss of appetite but things that you need to be aware of.

Please post some recent photos.
 
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You said..."The Ambilobe started to become more dark in color, staying lower in his enclosure"...sitting low can indicate that the chameleon is not well.
 
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Here's a pic of the cages.
 

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Other than what we talked about thru pm's, you need to add some horizontal branches at various heights. I stagger mine, about every 3-4 inches and offset them as they go. I would do away with the red bulb. If you need a heat source, a simple incandescent house light bulb will do. For 36" cage I use a fridge or oven size (the small ones) 25w and for a 48" cage a 40w. That should give you basking perfection. I would run a 36" or 48" Zoomed Aquasun T5 HO dual linear hood across the top, spanning over both cages. That way, they get maximum coverage. Make sure to keep cage divider in at all times. Seeing each other will cause stress. As far your male Ambilobe darkening, they commonly do that at certain points (i.e. shedding, stress, soaking up heat or uvb, etc...) Don't read too much into that until corrections are made. Like I said, pm any questions. Good start though.

Here is link and you can choose size. I have 9 of them and love them. Use on UVB bulb and one 6500k daylight bulb with it.
http://www.amazon.com/Zoo-Med-AquaS...e=UTF8&qid=1443286932&sr=1-7&keywords=aquasun
 
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