New Cham Owner, Slightly Overwhelmed

rcc760

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Hello all!

Two weeks ago we purchased our first chameleon, a female veiled named Charlie. We got her from PetSmart so we don't know her exact age, we're guessing about 4-5 months. I have a couple concerns. First, here is Charlie's info:

Chameleon Info:
  • Your Chameleon Veiled chameleon, female, in my care 2 weeks, assuming 4-5 months old, body is about 4 in long.
  • Handling Has yet to let us hold her, occasionally lets us touch her without running, but sometimes she runs. We're working on it.
  • Feeding 10-15 medium crickets a day, usually. She eats a lot. That's one of my concerns. Haven't tried worms yet. She had no interest in fresh produce.
  • Supplements Calc w/o D3 every feeding. So far we've given her reptivite multivitamins once (about a week ago). As I've said, we've had her two weeks.
  • Watering Misting about 3-4 times a day, have a dripper as well that's on continuously, lightly
  • Fecal Description pretty regular, every other day or so. Feces is brown, maybe a little gray, but seems solid. Have not noticed any cricket bits in it. Urate is nice and white, maybe a little on the watery side. Wondering why, actually.

Cage Info:
  • Cage Type Screen ZooMed Reptibreeze enclosure 16" x 16" x 30"
  • Lighting 100 watt basking bulb (the 60 that the kit came with was not strong enough and the store didn't have 75. Thought this was fine, but she's been sitting with her mouth open (thermoregulating I hope?) quite often over the past few days, but she doesn't move down from her perch), reptisun 5.0 UVB bulb. Red night light to keep the temperature up (it's kinda cold where we are).
  • Temperature Basking temp is between 75 and 80, ambient temp is about 70
  • Plants no live plants yet, just artificial ones and some branches.
  • Placement in my sister's room on a shelf, maybe 5 ft from the ceiling?

Current Problem A couple things:
- last week her appetite was pretty ravenous. She was going through crickets like crazy. Now she doesn't seem to be eating as much, maybe a few crickets a day. I don't have a cricket tank yet, it's been daily trips to the store for crickets, and I feel like I'm wasting money because they've been dying before she decides to eat them. Could she just be bored of the crickets? I've never witnessed her drinking, but her urates look good, so I assume she's hydrated enough. The first couple days we had her, we were having trouble keeping her hydrated/humid. Her humidity kept dropping and her urates were yellow/orange (not the whole thing, maybe half of it), but we've since gotten it under control.
- She keeps sitting at her basking spot with her mouth open as if she's warm, but the temperature seems to be fine. She's also been making trips to the bottom of the cage a few times over the last couple days. I only ever see her on her way back up, not what she's doing while she's down there. I *think* she's going down there to do her business, if you know what I mean
- When I went to get crickets for her today the lady told me about eggbinding and now I'm terrified. I feel like she's quite young, and she's pretty small still. She hasn't changed to be any crazy colors, like blue or orange -- that's a sign she's getting ready to lay eggs, right? But like I said, she's been going down to the bottom of the cage, and the substrate (coconut fiber recommended by the workers at PetSmart) looked a little mussed up. That could have been from me or my sister though, I can't remember. Could she be ready to lay eggs? Should I get a laying bin ready?
- Her colors. Sometimes she's a really pretty like lime green with a few yellow spots along her sides. Other times she's brown, usually when basking or when agitated. When she's *really* bothered, she can get pretty close to black. lately she's been darker and darker, and I'm worried that she's stressed. Could it be from us trying to handle her increasingly? We want to be able to handle her as needed, and we're having issues. But maybe she's also just trying to soak up some warmth?

Any advice and help would be greatly appreciated! This is very new to me, as is she, but I already care about her greatly and would hate for her to get sick.
 

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Hi, and welcome to the forum! A couple of things I have noticed you are doing wrong. Do not use a substrate on the bottom. It will get yucky in no time and your cham can ingest it. Do not use a light, even a red one at night, you will interfere with their sleep. It's good for the temp to drop a bit when it's night time. Do not try to force handling, earn her trust. Read the care sheets posted on the forum and ask questions when in doubt. Set up an egg laying bin, a quick search here will teach you how to make one.
 
@rcc760 delete the other duplicate thread of the same name. You probably hit post another time accidentally. Otherwise you'll have two identical threads going with different responses.
 
Hi, and welcome to the forum! A couple of things I have noticed you are doing wrong. Do not use a substrate on the bottom. It will get yucky in no time and your cham can ingest it. Do not use a light, even a red one at night, you will interfere with their sleep. It's good for the temp to drop a bit when it's night time. Do not try to force handling, earn her trust. Read the care sheets posted on the forum and ask questions when in doubt. Set up an egg laying bin, a quick search here will teach you how to make one.

Okay: First, I will get the substrate out, thank you. The pet store recommended it to keep the humidity up because we live in a very dry climate. Would moss be better? As for the light and temperature, how much is it safe for it to drop? Not only do we live in a dry climate, we live in a very-cold-in-winter climate and I'm afraid it will be too cold for her otherwise. She also seems to be sleeping just fine. We haven't noticed her up randomly in the middle of the night, but I will get this under control too. I've done a lot of research on laying bins. I'm assuming you think she'd getting ready to lay then, even if she hasn't changed colors?
 
A temp drop into the 60's at night is fine. Live plants will help with humidity too. I have no idea if she is getting ready to lay, but being prepared is better then not. You are also going to need a little bigger enclosure soon. Also, consider an automatic misting system such as a Mistking if you can swing it, it makes things real easy. Just be advised that you will have to have a drain so that water does not pool and grow bacteria.
 
A temp drop into the 60's at night is fine. Live plants will help with humidity too. I have no idea if she is getting ready to lay, but being prepared is better then not. You are also going to need a little bigger enclosure soon. Also, consider an automatic misting system such as a Mistking if you can swing it, it makes things real easy. Just be advised that you will have to have a drain so that water does not pool and grow bacteria.

Okay, it's been a little colder here lately, but I'll see how it goes without the red light tonight. We're in the process of finding a live plant for her cage, and we'll definitely start looking for a larger cage soon too. She's still quite small, but I had a feeling that was coming. As for the misting, right now we don't have an issue with manually misting, but I'll be starting a second job soon and an automatic mister will surely be a good solution/affordable. Thanks so much for your input!
 
A lot of people use pothos plants. They grow like crazy and the vines can be draped over climbing sticks/vines. Pothos can be found at almost everyplace that sells live plants, they are very common. If you buy one make sure to wash the plant and replace top layer of soil with organic soil.
 
A lot of people use pothos plants. They grow like crazy and the vines can be draped over climbing sticks/vines. Pothos can be found at almost everyplace that sells live plants, they are very common. If you buy one make sure to wash the plant and replace top layer of soil with organic soil.

Okay, thanks!
 
Okay, it's been a little colder here lately, but I'll see how it goes without the red light tonight. We're in the process of finding a live plant for her cage, and we'll definitely start looking for a larger cage soon too. She's still quite small, but I had a feeling that was coming. As for the misting, right now we don't have an issue with manually misting, but I'll be starting a second job soon and an automatic mister will surely be a good solution/affordable. Thanks so much for your input!

I live in an extremely cold environment, too, and never use a heat source at night. If you must use a heat source, one way or another, you absolutely have to get rid of the red light. Chameleons can see that light and, whether or not you can tell, it will without a doubt disrupt their sleep. If you absolutely decide you must use a heat source at night, you need to use a ceramic heat emitter - these do not produce light so will not bother your chameleon while she sleeps
 
I live in an extremely cold environment, too, and never use a heat source at night. If you must use a heat source, one way or another, you absolutely have to get rid of the red light. Chameleons can see that light and, whether or not you can tell, it will without a doubt disrupt their sleep. If you absolutely decide you must use a heat source at night, you need to use a ceramic heat emitter - these do not produce light so will not bother your chameleon while she sleeps

Okay, good to know, thanks!
 
Please post a couple more recent photos of her.

I just took these. I have a feeling she is wanting to lay eggs, but she seems very small, her stomach doesn't appear round to me, and the only colors we've ever seen on her are bright green, brown, and really dark brown. Oh, and spots of yellow.
 

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Also please disregard the crickets in the BG of the last image. She doesn't seem to be very interested in eating them.
 

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The photo (0897) made me wonder but the rest of them don't look like she's gravid to me. I would make sure there's an egg laying bin in the cage in case.
 
The photo (0897) made me wonder but the rest of them don't look like she's gravid to me. I would make sure there's an egg laying bin in the cage in case.

That picture is actually the oldest, almost two weeks old. Her behavior is what’s making me think she might be ready to lay eggs, her appearance isn’t really what’s bothering me. We got the stuff for a laying bin anyways, as well as a Pothos for more climbing material and to keep the humidity up.
 
Do you have a why to accurately measure basking temps and cage temps?

Yeah, so right below, like less than an inch below, her basking spot, ranges between 75 and 80 depending on the time of day. Generally it sticks between 77 and 78. Her ambient temp, again, depends on the time of day. Ranges between 68 and 70.
 
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