New custom terrariums by Protean Terrariums

Klemins

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About a year ago I started housing some of my smaller chameleon species in 18x18x24 Exo Terras that I had around, rather than buying more screen. They did extremely well, and I've since switched a couple more into the few cages I had in order to reduce the amount of misting necessary. As Chris A pointed out in his post on glass cages some time ago, they allow for great humidity retention while still allowing ventilation through the lower vents and out of the top. A couple months ago I also decided to transfer the rest of my animals (they're all smaller species) to glass terrariums, however, the only place to get Exos around me in decent quantity had closed, and I did not want to get them through Petsmart since mine only carries the "Mayan Kit". Since I wanted to order a larger group of cages, I figured I might as well also look into custom enclosures

I came across Protean Terrariums on dendroboard and contacted Jason about customizing an arboreal, glass, sliding door design he already builds. He generally does traditional "euro" style venting for the lower vent design, which is a little different than what I wanted. If possible, I wanted a strip of screen in the lower front, as it provides more ventilation at the bottom than other designs. After discussing it a bit, he agreed. And even better, the pricing was very good, nowhere near what I thought it would cost.

The shipment arrived yesterday from CA (I'm in NJ), and I'm very happy with the results. There were no cracks or breakages, and even the delivery guy was impressed with how well/sturdy they were packed. The cages are 16x16x30 and have a 3 inch high strip of screen in the low front. They have sliding doors, and a 1/2" hold pre drilled across a glass strip on the front of the top to insert misting nozzles.
Here are some photos of the crate and enclosures.
Crate:
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There was also insulation foam between the wood and shrink wrap, but I didn't want to post too many of the unpacking. If you want to see, let me know..
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Crate with 1 cage removed
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Group of terrariums after bringing them indoors
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Lower Vent
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Cage with doors in (they came packed inside so as to reduce damage).
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I have not set them up yet since I'm still deciding on background options, and also have to finish arranging the shelving. The only things I would potentially change on the terrariums are the height of the substrate dam and to put full trim around the lower vent. However, I specified the substrate dam depth and Jason even asked if I wanted trim around the full front, and I said don't worry about it, so it was a personal choice and not based on their designs. Of course, I will also post updates once they're planted and animals move in. Just thought I'd share them first, since it may be a few weeks before everything is ready. Let me know if you have any questions. I've let Jason know about the forum as well, so he may be able to answer anything else.
 
Hey Daniel,

The cages look great. Definitely post some pics when you get them setup. How high is the substrate dam in the front? Let us know how you like them once you've used them for a bit.

Chris
 
Hey Chris,

The dam is 6 inches tall. The exo terras I have are 5 inches, so I don't doubt they will work fine, but I will start with smaller plants just to be sure. Thanks for the comments! I'll be sure to keep you posted.

Thanks for the comments also, Luevelvet!

I forgot to mention that I plan to keep Bradypodion and Kinyongias in these, and possibly a smaller female T. quadricornis I have.

-Dan
 
I think the T. quadricornis would do well, but based on the females I have, she may outgrow the 16x16" footprint. With that said, I successfully keep a few T. quadricornis and all of our adult T. deremensis in 24" cube enclosures, so almost anything is possible with smaller spaces. ;)

Luis
 
I've had her just about 2 years now and she is not too large. Her current enclosure is big(24x24x48), since I had it lying around, but she does not utilize most of it. She's only about 4.5 " STV, and generally sits in the center of her cage as it is. She also has a fairly predictable behavior and feeding pattern, so if I do try her out in one then I'll be sure to look for any changes. Thanks for the advice, though, and I'll keep you posted on what I decide.
 
I would (and am ... because I have plans soon to switch all enclosures to something like this) utilize the hydroton/charcoal/soil layers.

-Brad
 
Yes, I will be using hydroton and organic soil. I've used charcoal in the past also, but never really noticed a difference in plant health, so am still undecided as to whether or not I will use it with these.
 
I believe charcoal helps to keep the water that does remain down there cleaner. I don't think it would have too much noticeable effect one way or the other concerning the health of the plants.
I use it for the same reason it is used in aquarium filters.

-Brad
 
I would (and am ... because I have plans soon to switch all enclosures to something like this) utilize the hydroton/charcoal/soil layers.

-Brad

I was hoping you would chime in on this thread Brad. I did what you said in my exoterra enclosure re layers .. but I'm having the water pool at the bottom and not evaporating. I've been sopping the water up.

I have a drip going (half a zip lock bag twice a day) and mist 2 times a day. My mister is not that great and drips water while I spray ... but I don't think that is the main issue. Any suggestions or insight as to what you do? Do you experience this at all?

Keep in mind I live in a cold wintery climate right now and I battle humidity each day. If I don't mist, the humidity drops to 30-40.. so it's a constant struggle. I'm actually thinking I may have to come to terms with this issue .. unless I drill a hole at the bottom which is a last resort at this point.
 
I've had a vivarium before and had issues with water pooling on the bottom. I was able to keep too much water from pooling by running some airline tubing down below the substrate and syphoning it out into a bucket. I left the tubing in place all the time and just drained the water off the bottom every couple of days so it did not sit stagnant. Just a thought. Has to be easier than sopping it up with towels.
 
One thing to remember about syphoning, you have to keep the end of the tubing (going into the bucket) below the level of the pooling water or it wont drain.
 
Your watering too much!:eek:
In exo-terras I am misting twice a day. No dripper.
If you want to run a dripper, you need some kind of collection vessel.
My cristatus, montium, deremensis ... all the high humidity/high water needs specimens are doing great with 2, 30 second mistings a day.

-Brad
 
I've had a vivarium before and had issues with water pooling on the bottom. I was able to keep too much water from pooling by running some airline tubing down below the substrate and syphoning it out into a bucket. I left the tubing in place all the time and just drained the water off the bottom every couple of days so it did not sit stagnant. Just a thought. Has to be easier than sopping it up with towels.

How much are you watering? In glass enclosures, I mist 1-2 times a day for 30 seconds to 1 minute (shorter periods if misting more often), and rarely have water even make it to the hydroton.
 
As Brad and Daniel have already indicated, one of the biggest differences between keeping chameleons in glass terrariums and screen enclosures is the amount of misting that is required. For my montane chams in my screen enclosures, even ones with 3 solid sides, I mist twice a day for 20 minutes each because the air is dry with the air conditioning. For the same species of chams in my screen enclosures, I mist once or twice a day for less then a minute each. If you are getting water buildup in your drainage layers, you're probably misting too much.

Chris
 
Sorry, I must have missed those posts. Progress has been a bit slow since certain supplies took much longer to get here. I have two partially set up and are housing a pair of Bd. transvaalense. They are set up fairly simple since the backgrounds hadn't arrived (are set to tomorrow), so did not really consider taking pictures.

I decided to use Insulation Cork board for the backgrounds, and will also put it on the sides once a thinner size is back in stock, so as to not eliminate too much width. This is the same thing Peter Kraemer has in his enclosures that were posted, according to his description. It is 100% natural, and is pressed in an autoclave and steam baked, which causes the natural cork resins to be released and bind the pieces, rather than glues and such. It is also used for hunting decoys, and holds up well according to Peter. I was considering coco fiber but really am not a big fan of the way it looks.

I will take some photos this weekend when installing the backgrounds and hopefully in another week I will have most of them planted and occupied.
 
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