New panther cham again!

bloftis1

bloftis1

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Soooo.. luckily I have a local petco who I know every employee there amazing. Today was reptile rally or something today and they received panther chams, one of my friend employee's there bought the male but there was still a female left! The ori. price on her was $300:eek: BUT since it was that event the reptiles were 50% off she was $150, amazing condition like amazing I was surprised there was such things at petco where all the animals at mine were great. But this female, is the nicest cham I've encountered she loved EVERYONE I had to take her! Now I know I would never buy from a big chain store but, they were well taken care of and I just love the personality of this cham it's not even funny LOL! As soon as they put her in the god dang box she peaked her head out like hold me! So for the whole car ride I let her climb and hangout with me :) I've fallen in looooove:love:
 

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I'm going to say something a little off the wall to get the point across about petco... buying from one store that takes good care is like supporting a local group of nazis because they aren't that bad. The overall organization is still a problem. Yes yes, I know Petco isn't the nazis, it's just a simple comparison... Not trying to be hard on you, just trying to get people to understand that they all answer to an overall corporate business model that abuses animals. Why bother at all?
 
Good Luck with your new chameleon. I wish you all the best. With that said, I wouldn't buy anything from Petco just because I don't want to support the Corporation. I'm sure there is plenty of good people working there and trying to do what is best for the animals but those same people have to obey company policy. You'd be better off getting to know and supporting a good Mom and Pop Shop if you have to go to a pet store.
 
Yes, I understand I can see what all of you guys mean, I don't want to support them but, this cham was my only exception lol! Thank all of you guys!:)
 
jamest0o0 said:
Dont mean to be a jerk though, wish you the best with your chams either way. I just have seen Petco mistreat to many animals :(
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Yes, I've seen those videos where they go undercover and unfold the truth of what they do before they go to a petco location and when they get to a location and how some workers don't give a bleep lol, about them.:(:(
 
jamest0o0 said:
I'm going to say something a little off the wall to get the point across about petco... buying from one store that takes good care is like supporting a local group of nazis because they aren't that bad. The overall organization is still a problem. Yes yes, I know Petco isn't the nazis, it's just a simple comparison... Not trying to be hard on you, just trying to get people to understand that they all answer to an overall corporate business model that abuses animals. Why bother at all?
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The people that Petco caters their live animals to are probably unaware of this "animal abuse." That being said, the answer to the question "Why bother" is that the animal will be sold either way; whether its sold to a knowledgeable chameleon keeper(I'm assuming) like bflotis1 or to a random kid who saw the chameleon and thinks its cool is the real question.

It's kind of trivial to believe the whole "I'm not buying from petco/petsmart/etc. because they abuse animals, and if I don't buy them they won't sell them anymore!" because the fact at hand is that the chameleon will 100% be sold regardless of if you, being an expert chameleon keeper who knows they are mistreated, refuses to buy the chameleon. I mean I'm not personally encouraging people to buy from these chains, but not buying/"being hard on people" because they bought from one of these chains is petty.

A better comparison would be McDonalds. Do I support McDonald's unhealthy and unsanitary agendas with their food? No. Do I go to McDonalds to buy food? No. But are there still millions of people who go there? Yes. The number of people who actually now how to properly take care of lizards, provide correct husbandry, etc. is just way too small compared to those who just 'want a lizard' because of its cool or what not.
 
Deo32 said:
The people that Petco caters their live animals to are probably unaware of this "animal abuse." That being said, the answer to the question "Why bother" is that the animal will be sold either way; whether its sold to a knowledgeable chameleon keeper(I'm assuming) like bflotis1 or to a random kid who saw the chameleon and thinks its cool is the real question.

It's kind of trivial to believe the whole "I'm not buying from petco/petsmart/etc. because they abuse animals, and if I don't buy them they won't sell them anymore!" because the fact at hand is that the chameleon will 100% be sold regardless of if you, being an expert chameleon keeper who knows they are mistreated, refuses to buy the chameleon. I mean I'm not personally encouraging people to buy from these chains, but not buying/"being hard on people" because they bought from one of these chains is petty.

A better comparison would be McDonalds. Do I support McDonald's unhealthy and unsanitary agendas with their food? No. Do I go to McDonalds to buy food? No. But are there still millions of people who go there? Yes. The number of people who actually now how to properly take care of lizards, provide correct husbandry, etc. is just way too small compared to those who just 'want a lizard' because of its cool or what not.
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You are right. There was a kid there maybe 12? Anyways he was there with his dad and I was holding the cham getting all her info such as feeding, age, etc. Well the kid asked his dad if he could get it and the dad was like I don't know we don't know the requirements for this animal and the kid said back "So? I've never had a pet before." And that's when we said we'll take it and we got the papers for her and everything. I do agree with your post though 100%. I would rather have this cham in my hands than that kid having it either way I love her personality so far this is the jolliest cham I've met TBH.
 
Yeah, that sounds like the kind of situation where I would give in and buy the cham. I definitely wouldn't want a kid that young to get a cham, especially with that reaction :eek: Plus, after a while, the novelty wears off and then the kid won't want to take care of the cham or feed it anymore. That doesn't just happen to chams, but animals in general. :(
 
Deo32 said:
The people that Petco caters their live animals to are probably unaware of this "animal abuse." That being said, the answer to the question "Why bother" is that the animal will be sold either way; whether its sold to a knowledgeable chameleon keeper(I'm assuming) like bflotis1 or to a random kid who saw the chameleon and thinks its cool is the real question.

It's kind of trivial to believe the whole "I'm not buying from petco/petsmart/etc. because they abuse animals, and if I don't buy them they won't sell them anymore!" because the fact at hand is that the chameleon will 100% be sold regardless of if you, being an expert chameleon keeper who knows they are mistreated, refuses to buy the chameleon. I mean I'm not personally encouraging people to buy from these chains, but not buying/"being hard on people" because they bought from one of these chains is petty.

A better comparison would be McDonalds. Do I support McDonald's unhealthy and unsanitary agendas with their food? No. Do I go to McDonalds to buy food? No. But are there still millions of people who go there? Yes. The number of people who actually now how to properly take care of lizards, provide correct husbandry, etc. is just way too small compared to those who just 'want a lizard' because of its cool or what not.
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Actually McDonalds is a terrible comparison. Nobody is selling burgers telling you they're healthy. People know what they're getting... Petco on the other hand promotes being knowledgeable and then passes out bad advice/supplies/animals.

Did you just sign up to disagree with me? Look at the saltwater community, they take the same stance on this subject and it has actually worked in a lot of stores. So dont go spouting that garbage that it'll be sold anyway, maybe it will, but just because something wrong will happen doesn't mean it's okay to support it. I'm not mad at the OP, but if this forum is supposed to be for the welfare of chameleon husbandry and chameleons as animals, then Petco should not be a place that is advertised or supported, no matter how small. And back to the McDonalds subject, if this was a health forum, for example bodybuilding... Mcdonalds would be advised against as well...
 
jamest0o0 said:
Actually McDonalds is a terrible comparison. Nobody is selling burgers telling you they're healthy. People know what they're getting... Petco on the other hand promotes being knowledgeable and then passes out bad advice/supplies/animals.

Did you just sign up to disagree with me? Look at the saltwater community, they take the same stance on this subject and it has actually worked in a lot of stores. So dont go spouting that garbage that it'll be sold anyway, maybe it will, but just because something wrong will happen doesn't mean it's okay to support it. I'm not mad at the OP, but if this forum is supposed to be for the welfare of chameleon husbandry and chameleons as animals, then Petco should not be a place that is advertised or supported, no matter how small. And back to the McDonalds subject, if this was a health forum, for example bodybuilding... Mcdonalds would be advised against as well...
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As I said I was not supporting it. Neither was I advertising? No need to be rude, I was simply showing an alternate view, given your condemnation of bflotis1's purchase...

Also, I'm not spouting garbage. I've worked at my local Petco for the past 2 years (I'm in college); I live in Boston, so its a pretty large and accurate sample size. Our store receives TONS of chameleons; Bearded Dragons, Veiled Chameleons, and Leopard Geckos are the most sold reptiles here, but we get panthers pretty commonly too. Our shipments of Chameleons sell out within the 2-3 week rounds we get them in, and the occasional panther we get sells out immediately. I personally do my best to provide adequate housing and husbandry for the reptiles and birds we get but we have very specific protocols and items we have to do and if we stray away from those, problems arise.

Also could you possibly show/link me the stores that have apparently stopped selling chameleons that you mentioned (I looked up saltwater community, yielded no results relating to reptiles in the first 3 google pages....) I'm curious to see where they are located/what chain they are.
 
Since you mentioned Petco I will give my two cents. Petco is great if you want to buy pet supplies, but they have no regard for their animals as a corporation. I used to be into saltwater fish. I would never think to buy a fish from Petco, they all had issues. I had a quarantine tank, but why bother buying from them when they did not quarantine the fish they sold. Everytime I have seen a chameleon in Petco, the chameleon is housed in unacceptable conditions. Example: chameleon housed in 10 gal aquarium with nothing to climb on except the screen top. The same chameleon housed with several others. Providing water with a water bowl......wtf? Wood chips as a substrate. This is basic stuff and they fail everytime. I feel bad for the chameleons and I also feel bad for all the abused dogs in our dog pound. I can't adopt all of them, and we must take a stand as a community. Speak up, write corporate offices at Petco and let them know we know they are not providing adequate care for their chameleons. It should not be hard for Petco to provide adequate care for their chameleons while they are trying to sell them. Heck, maybe the staff at Petco can actually give useful advise to prospective chameleon buyers and we can take a little break o_O
 
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