New to these forums, and new to Chameleons ^^ please guide me!

Leaky

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I just recently decided I'd finally buy a chameleon, I've been fascinated with them for as long as I can remember and had some extra money to spend.

I did alot of research before I made any purchases, but no amount of reading can give me the experience I'm sure most of you have. I decided to go with a veiled, since apparently they are one of the hardier chameleons and don't require extreme humidity. I originally thought that I would start with one around 5 - 6 inches long, fairly young but not baby sized.. so I bought a 38 gallon Reptarium, 16.5 x 16.5 x 30". I bought vines, plants, a drip system, and a 100w PowerSunUV bulb that emits both UVA and UVB rays. This bulb is actually quite powerful and I had to raise it off the mesh because the basking spot was reaching 110 degrees, I have it around 92 atm. Here's where the problems begin..

Apparently due to Christmas and the cold weather, Chameleons are a myth in my state. I called around to every store I could find within 100 miles and finally found the ONE store that had veiled chameleons in stock. When I drove there to purchase, they were only about 2 months old (or so I was told) and are a couple inches long. I'm worried that the enclosure I have her in is too large, and she wont be able to hold on to some of the larger vines to move around and find her food.

Another problem is she isn't going to the basking spot, but climbing up the plants that are actually higher, but slightly outside of the bulbs direct range.. I'm worried that shes putting herself in harms way and could get burned, will they let themselves get burned or will she recognize it and move down/further away? I'm not certain exactly how hot it gets, and can't put the thermometer on leaves to tell =\

Also, I can't seem to find a good spot in the top half of the enclosure to put the Crickets without them being cooked by the light or in range of her tongue.. I held the cup in front of her for about 5 minutes and she finally ate a cricket, but I know she requires many crickets per day at such a young age. Will she learn where the crickets are on her own if I leave them closer to the bottom? And if so, can she reach them? The bowl is about 3 inches deep, and a couple inches away from anything she would hang on. I have to leave, but before I go to bed tonight and turn the lights off I'll offer her a few more up close.

I've only had her for about an hour now, so maybe she'll get settled in and relax from the stress of the shit hole store that didn't know a thing about proper care, and the care ride home. I just don't want to cause her any harm or neglect, so please, any advice you may have would be much appreciated.

If necessary I'll try to take some pictures of the enclosure and upload them.
 
I just recently decided I'd finally buy a chameleon, I've been fascinated with them for as long as I can remember and had some extra money to spend.

I did alot of research before I made any purchases, but no amount of reading can give me the experience I'm sure most of you have. I decided to go with a veiled, since apparently they are one of the hardier chameleons and don't require extreme humidity. I originally thought that I would start with one around 5 - 6 inches long, fairly young but not baby sized.. so I bought a 38 gallon Reptarium, 16.5 x 16.5 x 30". I bought vines, plants, a drip system, and a 100w PowerSunUV bulb that emits both UVA and UVB rays. This bulb is actually quite powerful and I had to raise it off the mesh because the basking spot was reaching 110 degrees, I have it around 92 atm. Here's where the problems begin..

Apparently due to Christmas and the cold weather, Chameleons are a myth in my state. I called around to every store I could find within 100 miles and finally found the ONE store that had veiled chameleons in stock. When I drove there to purchase, they were only about 2 months old (or so I was told) and are a couple inches long. I'm worried that the enclosure I have her in is too large, and she wont be able to hold on to some of the larger vines to move around and find her food.

Another problem is she isn't going to the basking spot, but climbing up the plants that are actually higher, but slightly outside of the bulbs direct range.. I'm worried that shes putting herself in harms way and could get burned, will they let themselves get burned or will she recognize it and move down/further away? I'm not certain exactly how hot it gets, and can't put the thermometer on leaves to tell =\

Also, I can't seem to find a good spot in the top half of the enclosure to put the Crickets without them being cooked by the light or in range of her tongue.. I held the cup in front of her for about 5 minutes and she finally ate a cricket, but I know she requires many crickets per day at such a young age. Will she learn where the crickets are on her own if I leave them closer to the bottom? And if so, can she reach them? The bowl is about 3 inches deep, and a couple inches away from anything she would hang on. I have to leave, but before I go to bed tonight and turn the lights off I'll offer her a few more up close.

I've only had her for about an hour now, so maybe she'll get settled in and relax from the stress of the shit hole store that didn't know a thing about proper care, and the care ride home. I just don't want to cause her any harm or neglect, so please, any advice you may have would be much appreciated.

If necessary I'll try to take some pictures of the enclosure and upload them.

110 F basking temp for baby chams will literally cook him to death.
Baby chameleon basking temp should be in the mid 80s or lower.
 
110 F basking temp for baby chams will literally cook him to death.
Baby chameleon basking temp should be in the mid 80s or lower.

Yeah this is the only thing you should change. The adults shouldn't even have that high of basking temp. Otherwise good job doing your homework:)
 
Chams can get burned easily, Be sure that there is no spot in any part of the cage that get's hot enough to burn him. They don't seem to realize when they are getting burned. A burn can prove fatal to a chameleon, either from the burn itself or from related infections. Is it male or female? Good luck and keep us posted. David
 
I got home and she hasn't moved from the spot she was sitting when I left.. I put some crickets literally 3 inches from her face and she managed to grab one, she showed interest in the others but whenever she'd turn her head twords them to grab em, they'd fall to the bottom or jump away and she wont chase.

How many crickets per day is she supposed to eat? I'm hoping she ate some at the store I bought her at plus these 2 so she'll be ok until tommorow..

As far as the temperature, I was trying to get 90 but ill raise it higher and keep it around 80, It's really hard to tell how hot the area shes in is, its about 6 inches higher than the basking spot, but it's not directly under the light. I'm thinking about drilling a couple small holes in a little cup and hanging it from the ceiling so it's near the area she seems to like, at least until she gets more comfortable because I'm really worried she won't venture out and find the crickets in any other spot.

Is it bad to leave the few crickets that fell to the bottom in the cage at night when the lights are off? Will they climb up and harm her in any way?
 
I would love to see you re-think the lighting. Also, is your light mounted inside the enclosure? Again, 85 degrees is absolute hottest maximum temp for a young veiled.

Yes, crickets left in the enclosure can harm your chameleon!

There is info on lighting, supplementation, thermoregulation, etc. here:

http://raisingkittytheveiledchameleon.blogspot.com/

-Brad
 
I'm pretty sure I nabbed them all, I think there might be one cricket left somewhere but I can't seem to find him.. she made me feel a little better though, as I was watching her one of the crickets, by some dumb luck, crawled up one of the plants about 8 inches in front of her and she nabbed it =D.

I have the light hanging from the ceiling basically, I kind of have a ghetto setup at the moment, the cage is on a desk and I wrapped the power cord around one of the little metal bars that hold the drop tile ceiling in, so I can raise or lower it pretty easily. I'm going to buy an adjustable stand for the light tomorrow. I took some tape and put the thermo at the top wall about where she hangs out and it was 78. Right now I have it about 7 inches above the enclosure, and in the back right corner. What would you recommend for lighting? I think the employee who helped me was thinking ahead a bit and gave me this light with the intent of a larger enclosure for an adult lizard.

I'm def. going to get one of my friends digital cameras tomorrow and post some pics so you guys can critique my enclosure, I just don't feel like it's good enough.
 
Does the Zoomed 5.0 put out alot of heat or does the majority of the heat come from the basking light? I guess I'm asking; Does Zoomed 5.0 go across the entire top of the enclosure and keep the UVB rays all over, or does it produce heat and need to only be across one point in the cage? Which brand light do you use for the basking light?
 
The 5.0 is a linear tube that rests across the width of the enclosure.
The basking bulb is a regular household incandescent bulb of a wattage that produces the appropriate temperature in the basking spot. You have to experiment a bit with the basking light. It should not touch the enclosure.
The 5.0 does not produce heat.

-Brad
 
be careful with the MV bulb if thats what you're still using, they can be very dangerous!
depending on the wattage they can put out extreme amounts of UV that can burn your chams especially younger ones. brand new bulbs also put out more UV within the first hundred hours of being used its called the burn in time. most MV bulbs are recommended minimum 12 - 18 inches from the basking area, which sometimes is too far away to generate enough heat. a big mistake is then it is easy to put the MV bulb closer to get temps up but you then you give your chams a really bad sunburn from the UVB rays which can be fatal in the little ones. you can sit and read about UV lighting for days at http://www.uvguide.co.uk/ good reading but it will really make your head spin after a while :eek:

your safest bet is definately a 5.0 UV tube and a regular incandescent bulb. i would start with a 50 watt incandescent first and if needed work my way up until you get the perfect temperature.

good luck!
 
Yeah I'm actually quite worried about my setup now, I've been browsing these forums trying to see other new owners and their problems.. I've got all fake plants in my enclosure, I want to get real ones. Also, I need to figure out a way to drain the water from the drip/misting. I've misted the leaves inside the enclosure but I've never seen her drink. Should I spray her body with it to try and get her to drink?

I don't think I'm going to turn this bulb back on, I'm going to go buy a fixture for a normal 60 watt light bulb and the 5.0 tube light tomorrow.
 
Leaky, Be sure to get the reptisun flourescent TUBE, not the compact flourscent. Don't listen to what the pet shop tells you. Sometimes I think they enjoy killing chameleons...That might be an overstatement, but you get my drift. You need to spray the chameleon directly. If you have a hand mister, use very hot water. When it comes out as a mist it will just be warm by the time it reaches the chameleon. Just spray it on your wrist to check. He will probably hate it at first but just keep spraying. It may take five minutes of spraying him before his drinking reflex kicks in. Mine usually starts drinking within a minute or so and actually seems to enjoy the warm mist. It's taken him about four months to start to like it. Good luck and keep us posted. David
 
Heading to bed now, just like to thank you all for the help, probably saved this Cham's life! =X. Just out of curiosity.. What do they do when they drink? Do they lick their face?
 
Heading to bed now, just like to thank you all for the help, probably saved this Cham's life! =X. Just out of curiosity.. What do they do when they drink? Do they lick their face?

Mine will lick his face sometime, but usually he licks the water droplets off the leaves and branches.
 
Mine hangs upside down and gets the drips that form on the tip of his mouth or nose and when the sprayings over, he licks the leaves or top or side of the cage.
 
I misted the chunk of leaves she's been hiding in and her pretty thoroughly this morning before I went out to buy the new lights, I did my best not to spray her face directly as I remember reading when they are this young it can suffocate them. I didn't see her make any attempts to drink, she was more concerned about running and hiding from me.. I hope she did drink some when I left.

I bought an EXO TERRA SunGlo 75watt bulb for heat, and a Repti Glo 5.0 tube for the UVB. It sais this tube is UVA (30%) and UVB (5%). I bought the best fixture for it I could find.. the place I bought the bulbs didn't have any, Home Depot and Lowes didn't have any that seemed to allow it to reflect, so I ended up getting one from PetCo that appears to get the job done.. the second I put it on top of her cage she crawled to the top and is still sitting right under it. It's not dangerous for her to be sitting literally inches under the 5.0 tube, right?
 
Did a search on the repti-glo and found it it is adequate, not as good as the repti-sun but it should do. Keep us posted. David
 
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