Not doing well at all

[snewpers]

Hi

I'm still roaming the forum looking for an answer as to why my cham is still not doing OK. I have redone his entire enclosure, checked and changed all lights and headlamp, installed fans for ventilation, removed some of the plants that were doing not so good. I've bought all sorts of foods and vitamins, have a stick schedule for lights en heat on and already been to the vet twice but he still just sits there. Looks lichee has zero energy to move around. He ignores all food that I offer but I still squirt in some water with a syringe (and vitamines) if I get a chance. Three weeks ago his weight was 220grams and today that dropped to 107grams, which is not good. I have also made the famous 'bug juice' and most other options that were mentioned. Oh he likes to stay on the floor and sleep most of the day...

Yesterday I had him in front of an infrared light to warm him up a bit and he started to roll on his back like a dog would do. three or four full turns!?

Since his previous owner(s) din;t really take any care of him it kinda looks like his bones are a bit crooked. Vet confirmed that it *seemed* like they are a bit bend but could only tell after an Xray...

Oh he has pooped twice (that I could find) and the first one looked like this (not the most pleasant photo's so didn't post them in this thread).

http://racezone.nl/gekko/a.JPG
http://racezone.nl/gekko/b.JPG
http://racezone.nl/gekko/c.JPG

Anyway if there's someone that please know something I can try, please tell.

Here a some pics of today:

 

[Chamel619]

Is that duct tape I'm seeing in the first pic? Be careful with that syringe, you can shoot water right into his lungs. If you would please fill this out. https://www.chameleonforums.com/threads/how-to-ask-for-help.66/

 

[snewpers]

Hi Chamel619

That is indeed duct tape that I used to add a few more branched to the main horizontal one. But it has been there for only 3 days. I thought that since he's really weak I'd add a few more branches so he won't fall down. If that's a problem I'll remove it asap.

The info you ask for is in this thread: https://www.chameleonforums.com/threads/new-to-chameleons-bit-nervous.147909/

 

[jajeanpierre]

I don't really understand why you say he isn't doing well. Can you fill the How To Ask For Help quesionnaire at the top of the Health section and post it there. I'd really like to help but you haven't given us enough information.

 

[kinyonga]

The questions were answered in this thread...
https://www.chameleonforums.com/threads/not-eating-not-active.147976/#post-1254016

He does look old to me as several others have told you. That could be what's causing this.
I know you took him to a vet but you didn't seem to get an answer....or did you?

 

[ispeedonthe405]

I can't tell if he's old or if a filter was applied to the pics. Either way, a weight drop of a hundred grams in three weeks is cause for concern. Are you sure about both numbers, or did one come from the person you acquired the cham from?

My other question is did the vet rule out parasites? Did you supply a fecal sample, and were any other tests done?

 

[snewpers]

Thank you all - I'll try to give more info:

Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - Veiled cham, male, age is (according to forummembers) up to 8 years old, been with me for about a month
Handling - I try to offer him food every day, but not moving him around
Feeding - Wax worms, morio worms, locust, crickets and soft fruit
Supplements - Calcium with and without D3, vitamin drops and vitamin powder
Watering - Misting at least 3 times a day, don;t see him drink
Fecal Description - Only found 2 droppings in 4 weeks, send the first one to vet and there were no parasites
History - Bought the cham from someone. No vitamins or anything ame with him so I think he didn't take care of him.

Cage Info:
Cage Type - glass, 1m x ,6m x 1m
Lighting - Exo Terra heat and UVB light and fluorescent tube for about 14 hours, everything off at night
Temperature - about 93F basking and 65F floor
Humidity - 70-90%, sometimes drops to 30-50 for a short while. Misting is done.
Plants - Live and fake plants, not sure what they are... came with the cage.
Placement - Middle of a wall, about 3 feet between top of enclosure and ceiling, no draft and almost no human traffic
Location - Netherlads

Current Problematiek:

Not eating, not moving at all, unable to grab on to branches, tipping over, sleeping a lot, not drinking


@kinyonga
I think you are referring to the age thing? I don't really mind him being old, he's with us now so either way he should be taken care of properly. Age is not a real concern for me.
The vet said he looked OK and his weight was fine. The overall appearance was OK but a bit sluggish... That's why he gave the vitamin and fluid injection.
He gave a container for a poopsample (he wasn't pooping for 2,5 - 3 weeks!) so I send it in in a bit of water. There were no parasites. Not sure what I can tell you more to be honest.

I see I've made a huge typo.. the weight drop is not 113grams but 13 grams. Sorry!!!!!


So... if he is that old and his behavior is because of that, should I lower everything in his cage so he can still move up a bit?

 

[snewpers]

I can't tell if he's old or if a filter was applied to the pics. Either way, a weight drop of a hundred grams in three weeks is cause for concern. Are you sure about both numbers, or did one come from the person you acquired the cham from?

My other question is did the vet rule out parasites? Did you supply a fecal sample, and were any other tests done?

I'm sorry, that was a huge typo, the weight drop is 13 grams. The vet did the first weighing and I did the same when I got home to check if our scales are the same (I'm using a kitchen scale). And they were. The last weighing was done with the same scale. My apologies for the typo.