Oorona Mena, a locale in question (Nosy Faly)

Ashendust54

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Hello everyone my name is Drew. I wanted to start this post by telling you all a bit about myself and my new passion for this fascinating species.

I am 20 years old and I admit am new to the chameleon. I begun doing research into them from a reptile magazine I was reading at the beginning of this year. I quickly purchased some books and visited some local reptile stores trying to my expand my knowledge base. One of the pet store clerks recommended this website as a great place to learn. Which I could not thank him enough for the advice.

Now 3 months later I have a happy pardalis ambilobe from a Kammer Kreations who is fantastic. He is always actively exploring his enclosure and is growing like a champ. Pics to come when my new camera arrives.

When he is big enough he will be moving to a more expansive enclosure to suit his needs and I will have an empty enclosure to fill. Which has brought me into the discussion of the nosy faly because that is going to be my next project. Whom is in a current predicament that needs to be resolved on all levels, from novice keeper to national breeders. To put it in short, this locales blood lines and branding as such needs to be monitored.

There have been many posts put up of late regarding this specific issue. And I am posting this to bring to light the true heart of this issue, not the arguments that have gone on in the past days. If disagreements are raised the please do so in a professional matter.

I am not meaning to discredit, only to as to keep this specific post from becoming a cage match. All things aside this locale is in risk of losing its purity. This is a very unique chameleon!

This specific locale is not located on the main island of Madagascar, it is found on an island located off of the west coast of the island near near Ambanja. This means that this chameleon evolved on a different scale from any of the mainland spiecies. Quite frankly when I am looking to buy a faly i am looking to find a very qunique and rare species and am willing to pay as such. I want to know the bloodline and pictures of the parents to make sure it is pure to the best possibility. For crosses they can have truely stunning colors. But from a conservationalist standpoint or future breeder, pure blood lines are vital. This is a fact that we cannot ignore And I would hope that you all can see from a beginner to an experienced keeper. That we all need to take the time to keep accurate records to help keep this unique locale alive.
 
let the games begin

I hope your post leads to new light in this



So far its been repetitive....
 
I agree i have been reading alot of the posts on here and other sites, people are losing the heart of the matter. Yes discussions should be brought up, but not like a 12 year old. Bring up pictures and chate about how awesome they look on the fourms and have private discussions with the breeders.
 
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For now, I would try to avoid this topic.

Even with the best intentions, the topic of falys, crosses, panthers in general is a topic that is beyond out of control on this forum.

There are several people, who I wont name, that feel strongly about their opinion on this topic, and no matter who is right or wrongm all it is doing is creating out of control threads, that the mods shut down.


JMO.
 
I have ch and cb lines coming up from my own Nosy falys that were imported in a group last year. As for the locale being in danger this is looking to be true as my buddy in Madagascar has brought to my attention that tourist promoters have put other locales on the island and he has seen hybrid and pure ambanja and Nosy be males on the is land. My ch Nosy falys are looking very good and i have sold 2 but due to the risk of this line being crossed in the I am holding on to them for a few more months. All my chameleon I document...
 
For now, I would try to avoid this topic.

Even with the best intentions, the topic of falys, crosses, panthers in general is a topic that is beyond out of control on this forum.

There are several people, who I wont name, that feel strongly about their opinion on this topic, and no matter who is right or wrongm all it is doing is creating out of control threads, that the mods shut down.


JMO.

This is true but if people would just grow up... We can all talk about it like adults... If you have something bad to say pm it or just don't say it.
 
We shouldnt have to stop keeping this topic alive just because some people dont want to act like adults. I for one want my "Red Rain" buddy in the next months here, If all goes well and i pass the trials of my first chameleon, I plan on breeding them.
 
This is true but if people would just grow up... We can all talk about it like adults... If you have something bad to say pm it or just don't say it.

And if only pigs could fly..... :rolleyes:

It would be nice to have civil converstaions regarding this topic.. so far... i havent seen it.

I cant count the number of threads that got closed, moved to fauna. etc over this topic.

Its a lizard for cryin out loud, not gold.

but not the point, hopefully this thread doesnt get out of control and adults can have a normal converstion without name calling and degrading, stalking, threatening etc. of others.

:D
 
I have ch and cb lines coming up from my own Nosy falys that were imported in a group last year. As for the locale being in danger this is looking to be true as my buddy in Madagascar has brought to my attention that tourist promoters have put other locales on the island and he has seen hybrid and pure ambanja and Nosy be males on the is land. My ch Nosy falys are looking very good and i have sold 2 but due to the risk of this line being crossed in the I am holding on to them for a few more months. All my chameleon I document...

thats responsible breeding good too hear you are holding back i will be doing the same !
 
We shouldnt have to stop keeping this topic alive just because some people dont want to act like adults. I for one want my "Red Rain" buddy in the next months here, If all goes well and i pass the trials of my first chameleon, I plan on breeding them.

We shouldnt have to avoid it, but for now, its probably best.

Seriously, the number of threads that have been closed because things went haywire, was insane.

Im not saying anything against you, but some people on this forum dont know how to have a decent, adult conversation. and to avoid drama....

:)

edit: and for the record, I have a faly, and I still try to avoid all this faly drama.
 
We shouldnt have to stop keeping this topic alive just because some people dont want to act like adults. I for one want my "Red Rain" buddy in the next months here, If all goes well and i pass the trials of my first chameleon, I plan on breeding them.

Breeding your ambilobe and faly.? Or getting them seperate mates.?

And I believe that this is a very touchy subject as well. I believe all the locales are in danger. On an island like where the Nosy Faly's are, how much effect are some ambanjas and be's going to do though.? In time, there will be more faly's bred into the occasional banja or be hybrid, and they will begin to lose those traits. When it comes to WC, who knows if somewhere down the line a be or a banja or ambilobe was introduce into those lines.? You really never know, I mean if it's happening now I'm sure it could of happened 50 years ago before we even knew they were over there. Or the ambilobes and ambanjas, who aren't seperated by a large body of water, it wouldn't be hard for them to mix and breed. I honestly think that is why you sometimes see those completely out their chameleons that are fourth generation captive bred. The show traits that aren't normal to that locale, who knows if it's not some recessive trait from a random locale finally showing up.? Just my thoughts.
 
I believe that we are going to have to accept a broader, and more forgiving, representation of that Local. Still going to be a lot of nice animals, with some unique characteristics. Just not full pedigree much of the time, as so many have been previously misrepresented. Let the market and pricing adjust accordingly ... and accurately ... based on honest representations. That is in itself is a huge improvement from where things have been these last few years.

And we move on.
 
I believe that we are going to have to accept a broader, and more forgiving, representation of that Local. Still going to be a lot of nice animals, with some unique characteristics. Just not full pedigree much of the time, as so many have been previously misrepresented. Let the market and pricing adjust accordingly ... and accurately ... based on honest representations. That is in itself is a huge improvement from where things have been these last few years.

And we move on.

I agree with this completely. :)
 
I, for one am thinking about starting a project of Faly's but want to keep them pure, needing to know that the line is pure. It sounds like that might be hard to do. At this point I am thinking that no WC animals coming into the country at this point and claiming to be pure would be scrutinized. Buying from a breeder would be hard also unless they have the lineage of the animal.

Would you agree?
 
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