Panther and Veiled diets (Florida resident)

Darc777

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I'm quite new to this forum and have been researching as much as physically possible to ensure the highest quality of life for my chameleons, and have stumbled upon a lot of changes I need to make to their enclosures and things I can do to keep them happy.

One of the most important things I've noticed I'm seriously lacking on is diet variety and proper nutrition. Currently, I have a male and female veiled pair that are approximately 4 months old and should be the same age, as well as a male panther around 6-7 months. I haven't had either for that long (perhaps a month, maybe 2?) and have just been feeding them gut loaded crickets. The gut loads have been water crystals/gels, cricket food (from the orlando repticon) and potatoes. I know this is extremely lacking, and I intend on buying some mustard greens or better gut loads for the little guys. I've also been dusting my crickets before feeding the last week or so. My calcium supp has D3 in it though, so I've only dusted maybe 3 times, as I am to understand D3 is a weekly thing not an every day thing.

My main question to the community is what should I invest time and money into for proper nutrition for veiled/panther care? I've been diving into research on the best roaches I could get for the guys, they're all small so large roaches seem like they wouldn't work as well. I can't easily access dubia roaches because of Florida's terrible laws and the fact that I don't know any breeders.

So far, I've gathered that it would be reasonable to order some green banana roaches or death heads and start a colony for roach feeders, using oranges/mustard greens/dandelion and water crystals as gut loads in addition to anything else the community would advise. I was also thinking of ordering some silk or hornworms as well, and gut loading crickets occasionally. I am looking into ordering a D3 free calcium supplement for dusting (Anyone know any really good brands?). I'm looking to be cost-friendly since I'm no rich man, so I want to start some feeder colonies.

I've looked into a few blogs that get posted a lot on here, particularly sandrachameleon's, and have a general idea of what to do, but I'm not completely sure.

Anyone with experience in veileds and panthers know a good roach to use, or other bugs? Again, I'm in Florida without a connection so dubias are something I can't do. Any advice is appreciated.
 
Does anyone have experience with discoids? Are they as easy to keep as other roaches, i.e easy effortless breeders, can they climb or not like dubias? Any hassle to keep? And do they offer similar nutritious benefits to dubias?
 
Yes, discoids are the legal cousins of dubias, they are really very similar except that discoids might be a little bigger, if I'm not mistaken. And that both sexes have wings, instead of just the males. But yes, they don't fly, climb, or smell so they are very good roaches to keep.
 
Very good to know, thanks to Olimpia and Montium for the advice. I'll definitely look into discoids. Super worms were mentioned, are these at any distinct advantage over silkworms and hornworms in terms of colony ease or nutrition towards panthers/veileds?
 
Definitely much easier to keep - superworms will not pupate unless each individual worm is isolated and kept in a dark place, so you can keep hundreds of them in a container with nutritious bedding for months. Where as silks and hornworms might last you a week or so before they've either died, gotten too enormous to feed, or begun changing into moths. They're phenomenal treats, don't get me wrong, and mine get them as often as I can get them, but the superworms are definitely a very convenient feeder to have on hand.

They are not as nutritious by themselves as those other worms are so you have to make sure you gutload them properly. And they have a hard little shell, the others are soft-bodied.
 
I'm to understand that chameleons need the more or less "roughage" that the shells and harder legs of roaches and such insects supply. Is that true? If it is, would a superworm's shell be of the same caliber? Would they be a good staple food alongside roaches, with silkworms as much as I can?

Also, as far as gut loading for roaches and superworms, are there any foods that can't be given to one that can be given to others? Should I dust both with calcium?

Sorry to trouble anyone if I ask a lot of questions, I'm just a curious pet owner.
 
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