Panther Chameleon won't eat and is lethargic

webersp

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Hello everybody, hopefully somebody here can offer me some help. I'm concerned about my new panther, I've had veiled chameleons in the past with zero issues but this is my first panther chameleon.

I'll provide as much information as I can in the first post, but I'd be happy to respond to any questions ASAP so somebody with some expertise could hopefully help me out.

Sex: Male
Age: Approximately 15-20 months
Time owned by me: One week today

Enclosure: 24x24x48 Zoomed screen cage with drainage hole, fake vines, plants, etc, with two live potted ficus plants on the bottom.

Lighting/Heat: One 5.0 UVB bulb and one 100w basking bulb, 12 hours on, 12 hours off. There is a nighttime bulb and I know they are sensitive to light, but this gives off little enough light that it's invisible to me in a dark room.

Watering/misting: 3-5 times daily for several minutes each, also has access to a big dripper 24/7. Have a misting system arriving tomorrow.

Feeding on: Super worms, mealworms, crickets, gutloaded. Dusted Monday and Wednesday with calcium and Tuesday and Thursday with a multivitamin.

Feces: Almost totally white, have seen very little of the brown portion since I've had him.


So here's the timeline on the problem. I purchased him last Tuesday, the previous owner said he was eating well on crickets and super worms and refused to touch roaches, but also liked silkworms and hornworms. I've yet to try feeding him silkworms or hornworms, I can confirm that he has no interest in roaches. The previous owner also mentioned that he had a very friendly demeanor and would accept, and in fact preferred, to eat straight from his hand. He said that after feeding the chameleon would also insist on climbing onto his arm for at least a few minutes each day.

Day 1: Got him home around 8 PM, previous owner had him on an 8 AM to 8 PM schedule, he went right to sleep as I tried to maintain this schedule.

Day 2: Lights on at 8 AM, fed him around 10:30 AM and he ate 3-4 super worms. Immediately crawled onto my hand, let him explore for a few minutes, returned him to his cage. Offered super worms again around 2:30 PM, ate 2. Lights off 8 PM.

Day 3: Lights on 8 AM. Activity was almost identical to the day before. Lights off at 8 AM.

Day 4: This is where the problem starts. Slightly less active though still drank plenty and moved around, ate 2 super worms all day and would not accept them from my hand. I had to drop them on branches in front of him before he would eat them.

Day 5: Changed light cycle, lights on at 10 AM. Further decreased activity. Still active enough that I didn't have any flags raised. Did not eat or even respond to the food around him. Lights off 10 PM.

Day 6: Lights on 10 AM. Did not eat. Slightly more active than day 5. Lights off 10 PM.

Day 7 (today): Lights on 10 AM. Has not eaten. Has remained in the same spot all day until I last tried to give him some food, and he decided to move near the light.

It's also worth noting that I have seen him yawn twice since I've had him, neither time did I observe any excess mucous around his throat or mouth that would indicate a respiratory problem. On one of the two occasions he seemed to be rather angry, doing what looked like a face stretch with such vigor that he began to shake on his branch before yawning and returning to normal. One yawn was almost immediately after the lights came on, the other about 3 hours before the lights went off. I do not remember the specific days on the yawn other than that the aggressive yawn was on day 5.

He's been lazy today. No interest in food even when placed right in front of him. No interest in coming out onto my hand. Movements seem slower and more deliberate than usual.

Eyes seem rounded and alert, not sunken. Cask seems to be well rounded and not sunken.

I plan to take him to a vet within a few days if his condition does not improve. In the meantime, if anybody has any idea what may be wrong with him, advice would be appreciated. I've attached a photo though he's not in an optimal place for photo taking at the moment.
 

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Update: He moved out some, so I wanted to add this photo. I noticed that his ribcage was looking sunken but I'm not sure if that is because of the way he is stretched out or if that would be indicative of a problem?

Picture attached so you can see what I mean. Also made a very slight noise while breathing, almost like a sniffle, but he did not continue to do it and hasn't done this before.
 

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Forgot to mention, I definitely don't mind spending the money to take him to the vet, I have the financial means to take care of him if there's an issue, I'm just currently worried that because I've only owned him for a week and he just went through a move that a trip to the vet could be incredibly stressful on him, especially if his loss of appetite is just due to him adjusting to his new home.
 
Update: He moved out some, so I wanted to add this photo. I noticed that his ribcage was looking sunken but I'm not sure if that is because of the way he is stretched out or if that would be indicative of a problem?

Picture attached so you can see what I mean. Also made a very slight noise while breathing, almost like a sniffle, but he did not continue to do it and hasn't done this before.

Looking at ribs is a hard way to judge body condition IMHO. His legs are not skinny and he doesn't look thin to me. I think the changing light schedule could be confusing him. Even if the cage lights are not on, if there is general lighting in the room from windows it will affect his behavior. He isn't getting warmed up until almost noon, so probably isn't interested in eating when you are observing him. Then in late afternoon when general daylight gets lower, he may be sensing evening...and he is less interested in eating from that point on. Maybe I've misunderstood? What are the cage temps when lights are OFF and when they are ON. Maybe your schedule is warming up the cage (and him) at the wrong time in relation to the lighting. If your room doesn't get below 50 F at night don't use any heat regardless of the light. Chams need at least a 10 degree drop in temp in order to lower their metabolism and rest. If its too warm at night he may not be sleeping well.
 
Looking at ribs is a hard way to judge body condition IMHO. His legs are not skinny and he doesn't look thin to me. I think the changing light schedule could be confusing him. Even if the cage lights are not on, if there is general lighting in the room from windows it will affect his behavior. He isn't getting warmed up until almost noon, so probably isn't interested in eating when you are observing him. Then in late afternoon when general daylight gets lower, he may be sensing evening...and he is less interested in eating from that point on. Maybe I've misunderstood? What are the cage temps when lights are OFF and when they are ON. Maybe your schedule is warming up the cage (and him) at the wrong time in relation to the lighting. If your room doesn't get below 50 F at night don't use any heat regardless of the light. Chams need at least a 10 degree drop in temp in order to lower their metabolism and rest. If its too warm at night he may not be sleeping well.

I appreciate the response Carlton!

He's in the basement, so there are no other light sources other than what is on his cage. Perhaps he's just adjusting to the new lighting schedule then? It was a two hour change, but with no other lighting sources I would think that he would adjust within a few days?

My probe says the temperature in his basking spot is about 87 degrees once it gets warmed up, the bottom of the cage is about 65-68 degrees, and obviously there's everything in between.

At night, the temperature drops to about 65-68 degrees on the side of the cage without the night lamp and is about 77 degrees directly under the night lamp.

I will try turning the night lamp off for a few days, but that's something that the previous owner used. The whole setup came from the previous owner and I was trying to keep things constant for him because I know moves can be stressful on them as it is.
 
Is there a mark just above his right knee?
The light you're using that you said gives off little light...is it a black light?
 
Here's a current picture of him in his basking spot. I haven't seem him bask since Sunday, so that may be a good sign. He's also been slightly more active in the past two hours or so than he has been the past few days.

Thought another picture might help, can't hurt anyway.
 

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Is there a mark just above his right knee?
The light you're using that you said gives off little light...is it a black light?

Thanks for the response!

I don't think that's a mark, just the lighting. I can't see anything out of the ordinary on his legs.

I'm glad you pointed this out, and I feel really stupid not noticing it; when I bought him and his enclosure I checked the brand on the basking and UVB lights and replaced the UVB light since I didn't know if it was over 6 months old or not, but I didn't think to check the night lamp, which is indeed a walmart brand black light....

Obviously I will no longer be using it, though I still think it's unlikely that this is the cause of his lethargy since the previous owner had been using it and the chameleon was eating and moving around very well the first few days I've had him.

I appreciate the responses so far guys, I'm thinking that he may just be adjusting. I figured it couldn't hurt to ask around the forum for some more experienced opinions though, I've kept a lot of exotic animals but this is my first panther.
 
I'm using a playbook and can't always enlarge the photos enough to see some things clearly which is why I had to ask about the mark above the knee. Glad it was nothing!

I don't use or recommend using black lights...they usually produce UVB and if the chameleon is sitting under it all night to stay warm then it's getting a lot of exposure to UVB that it likely shouldn't. I'm not sure all black light bulbs produce uvb though but either way, unless the temperatures drop low during the night he doesn't need it anyhow.
 
try a hotter basking temp?

Just wondering if the temperature in his new room is different than his former home. If your basement is cooler, maybe his basking spot isn't hot enough. 87 is hot, but not as hot as it could be.
Maybe something in the 90s would make him feel better.

Best wishes!!
 
He was moving around quite a bit before bed today, so I'm optimistic that he'll be doing better tomorrow!

Whenever I see something wrong with one of my animals I tend to overreact, so that's probably the case here haha.
 
He was moving around quite a bit before bed today, so I'm optimistic that he'll be doing better tomorrow!

Whenever I see something wrong with one of my animals I tend to overreact, so that's probably the case here haha.

Chameleons just aren't very active animals. They're ambush predators that will wait for their prey to come near. Kinda remind me of a reptile version of a mantis.

Most of my guys will pick one or two spots to sit in every day and they're in enclosures that are about 3'x3'x6'.
 
Chameleons just aren't very active animals. They're ambush predators that will wait for their prey to come near. Kinda remind me of a reptile version of a mantis.

Most of my guys will pick one or two spots to sit in every day and they're in enclosures that are about 3'x3'x6'.

Mostly just worried that he wasn't wanting to eat and from the "yawning", which is apparently normal even though I've never seen my veiled chams do it. I don't think he's on a hunger strike because I've tried quite a few different feeders, probably just adjusting. I don't think I'd like it if somebody threw my house into the back of a van and moved me and then changed the way the sun rises and sets, haha.
 
Mostly just worried that he wasn't wanting to eat and from the "yawning", which is apparently normal even though I've never seen my veiled chams do it. I don't think he's on a hunger strike because I've tried quite a few different feeders, probably just adjusting. I don't think I'd like it if somebody threw my house into the back of a van and moved me and then changed the way the sun rises and sets, haha.

Here's a different way to view "yawning". A cham with an active respiratory infection does more than yawn periodically. They tend to sit with their head tipped straight up, gaping more constantly, blowing out their gular and gulping heavily over and over, showing sticky saliva or bubbles along their lips, tend to show dark dull colors, sit crouching under the basking light much of the time, don't eat or drink. Doesn't sound like your guy.
 
In case this may help somebody out in the future, it turned out that the ambient temperature wasn't high enough for his liking in some parts of the cage even though his basking spot was warm enough. I added some extra heat and he started eating voraciously within 30 minutes. It must've been colder in my house than the previous owners.

Thanks for everybody's suggestions!
 
So your giving him multivitamins twice a week? You just said calcium does it have D3. I understand this isn't the problem now but could cause problems down the road.
 
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