Pigmys, seperate the male?

[Muddyfeet]

I have a trio of bearded pigmy's, WC and just arrived.. two weeks, settling in.. however..

SO I have a question.. I have seen the male chase down each female, try to mate.. get tossed off.. so breeding in these guys is either, very quick, I am guessing they are not receptive, As he is smaller and thinner, Also does seem to spend a bit of time colored up.. looking for the girls.. compared to the behavior in the females, relaxed flatten out relax, eat.. bask some..
I am curious if perhaps I should separate him as it is possible he is too interested in breeding and getting stressed? I have seen him eat and hunt a bit.. first day, actually seen him poop..so he is eating.. but seems like he is actively looking to mate and vs just hang and relax compared to the females behavior..

Neither female seems receptive? neither seems gravid for sure.. But may be, perhaps?? but I will know possibly within a month.. I would know..

would it be possibly a good idea put him in a enclosure by himself? give him a bit of a rest? I hate to loose him if he is getting stressed trying to mate constantly.. and the females are gravid by him or already.. As I been told it takes about a month from breeding to laying, not like I be waiting Months and months to know if the girls are already gravid, or have been bred.. Kind of thinking may be a possible waste to risk it??

Thoughts??

 

[kdc5019]

I have a trio of bearded pigmy's, WC and just arrived.. two weeks, settling in.. however..

SO I have a question.. I have seen the male chase down each female, try to mate.. get tossed off.. so breeding in these guys is either, very quick, I am guessing they are not receptive,In my experience, breeding is quick, only lasting a few minutes, they dont remain attached for hours like some other species As he is smaller and thinner, Males typically are smaller Also does seem to spend a bit of time colored up.. looking for the girls.. compared to the behavior in the females, relaxed flatten out relax, eat.. bask some.. if ladies are around, he will be interested, this species lives to mate
I am curious if perhaps I should separate him as it is possible he is too interested in breeding and getting stressed? I wouldnt necessarily worry about him being stressed, it would be more the females. If he is constatnly trying to mate with them, when they are non receptive, it will stress the females. I would try to add more foilage, in your enclosure to give the females more room to hide and relax, or if you have the room a seperate enclosureI have seen him eat and hunt a bit.. first day, actually seen him poop..so he is eating.. but seems like he is actively looking to mate and vs just hang and relax compared to the females behavior.. This is typically in my experience, males will constatnly wonder around in a viv and females handg out alittle more than males

Neither female seems receptive? neither seems gravid for sure.. But may be, perhaps?? If neither female is interested they are most likely gravid.but I will know possibly within a month.. I would know..

would it be possibly a good idea put him in a enclosure by himself? Possibly give him a bit of a rest? I hate to loose him if he is getting stressed trying to mate constantly.. and the females are gravid by him or already..How long have you had them together? Have you seen them actually mate already, or just see him chase them? If they were WC then they were housed together with a bunch of other males. Its not safe to say they are gravid by "him" persay. Especially since the females are not interested As I been told it takes about a month from breeding to laying, not like I be waiting Months and months to know if the girls are already gravid, or have been bred.. Kind of thinking may be a possible waste to risk it?? Not quite sure i know what you mean by this? If they are not interested in breeding, then no matter what you try, you cant "make" them breed, so no matter what you do, you will be waiting to find out.


Thoughts??

You shouldnt be in hurry or a rush, to breed pygmys (or any species) right away. Give them time to acclimate, settle in, get used to their surroundings etc. Why the rush? If they are healthy they will live long beautiful lives and they will provide you with eggs, just be patient

If you want to be serious about breeding pygs i highly recommend you getting and reading the "Stump Tail" book. It talks about everything you need to know

 

[Muddyfeet]

oh I am not, do I have plans? perhaps but I have male female intact animals in my care so looking at all factors that can cause stress.. but my worry is I am NOT in a hurry and letting a new WC male, stress himself for NO purpose.. seems a real stupid thing.. I dont want eggs yet,, I want them to settle in first.. but also, there is a secondary and in some ways worse thought.. the females are not receptive, as they are not settled in yet, or heck gravid I been told, and read oh well WC most are when you get them.. only reason I mentioned it.. however, to me makes that even worse.. letting him stress out and not do anything? Sorry.. that is my real concern.. and why I asked.. not because I hope to have babies, but he does not seem to think ok new import settle in first.. Kind of already attached to the bugger, randy for sure.. but determined..


Today he actually seemed to spend more time hunting for food, and actually relaxed.. not all colored up, and pigs verson of basking.. flat don't look at me I am a leaf.. sorry his behavior was a real shock.. and truth was a worry.. he was way more interested in drinking and eating then chasing the girls.. today.. finally!

Books are good, but some personal experiences.. why I asked..what I was seeking beyond what texts, and general care sheets or books offer.. sadly sorry, seems like attention to the females, breeding pressure, etc is all everyone talks about.. but ok what about the males?? ok I have a new male more interested in sex than eating possibly.. ok two females takes pressure of them but what about the male?? double the pressure for him? however that question is not as a serious adult forum wording.. sadly sometimes, seems like the males get overlooked in all the information and literature on these guys.. does not seem fair really why I asked.. I really like the bugger..

 

[Chameleonmaster]

I just bought a wild caught trio but one female died, but my male isn't as energetic as your. You will want to separate the male if he's an aggressive breeder. Give them time to get used to the new environment then reintroduce them. After he mates with them I don't think he'll be as aggressive.

 

[kdc5019]

oh I am not, do I have plans? perhaps but I have male female intact animals in my care so looking at all factors that can cause stress.. but my worry is I am NOT in a hurry and letting a new WC male, stress himself for NO purpose.. seems a real stupid thing.. I dont want eggs yet,, I want them to settle in first.. but also, there is a secondary and in some ways worse thought.. the females are not receptive, as they are not settled in yet, or heck gravid I been told, and read oh well WC most are when you get them.. only reason I mentioned it.. however, to me makes that even worse.. letting him stress out and not do anything? Sorry.. that is my real concern.. and why I asked.. not because I hope to have babies, but he does not seem to think ok new import settle in first.. Kind of already attached to the bugger, randy for sure.. but determined..
I understand your point that you are concerned for the health of your male. If you are that concerned then it would be recommened for you to separate your male into a seperate enclosure. This will give him time to settle in and also your females.


Today he actually seemed to spend more time hunting for food, and actually relaxed.. not all colored up, and pigs verson of basking.. flat don't look at me I am a leaf.. sorry his behavior was a real shock.. and truth was a worry.. he was way more interested in drinking and eating then chasing the girls.. today.. finally!

Thats great to hear! Its amazing watching these guys hunt, as for how small they are they have a pretty long tonge, and the black mouth is crazy awesome!

Books are good, but some personal experiences.. Everything i was telling you from previous threads and this one was based on experience, i was just suggesting you read the stump tail book, as it is the holy grail for pygmyswhy I asked..what I was seeking beyond what texts, and general care sheets or books offer.. sadly sorry, seems like attention to the females, breeding pressure, etc is all everyone talks about.. but ok what about the males?? ok I have a new male more interested in sex than eating possibly.. ok two females takes pressure of them but what about the male?? double the pressure for him? however that question is not as a serious adult forum wording.. sadly sometimes, seems like the males get overlooked in all the information and literature on these guys.. does not seem fair really why I asked.. I really like the bugger..

If you feel he is more interested in breeding than eating, maybe change up what food you offer then? What does your current feeding schedule look like? what variety are you offering them?
The reason you hear more about females than males, is because females stress easier than males. In the wild no matter what the males are walking around trying to pass on their genetics to the next generation (same thing thats happening in your viv). So please seperate them if you wish, that is your choice as you are the owner. If it concerns you than do what you feel is right