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[lietf001]

Cage Info:
Cage Type - exo terran glass terrariumb. size 18,18,24,
Lighting - exo terran repti glo5.0 15w; basking exo terra glow light 75w, 40cm to basking spot. 10 hours uvb;6 hours basking.
Temperature - 25 to 27 degree night time and 27 to 31 day time
Humidity - 70% to 80% spray every 4 hours during day time. and water water feature inside
Plants - all fake plants
Location - 800mm to the ground, indoor, with fan on top for ventilation.

Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - nosy be, male 1 years old
Chameleon-more than a week
Handling - havent been handling on hand
Feeding - small crickets and mealworms; 10 crickets and 3 mealworms. i feeding during morning. it eat normal. it also very willing to eat. every morning go to bottom of the cage to search for food.
Supplements - exo terra electrod3ize drop into water
Watering - water feature, water will run through a fake leaf, constainly on and turn off during night time. it does drink normally.
Fecal Description - blue with red dot and white bar. very white when the first day arrive but now comes normal. it has test for parasites and how can i test?
History - do not have period information
Current Problem - seen very weak with no strength to move. everyday morning i turn the night on, it go to bottom stright away and search for food then stay on the bottom of cage. it even it don't search for food it will stay under fake leaf and not willing for basking. (never seen it basking) sometime it will go back to middle high level for sleeping but not this two night then i bring it back on vines.
it hasnt poopoo three days ago then poopoo yestarday but again not today. second day arrived poopoo very wet and like liquid. then yestarday's 2cm long and very smelly.
today i try to bring him out to basking but finding it very weak with no strength to move. and find out one spot like injury on toe. (please have a look at the current shape of him, colour turning to darken little after i bring it out to photo.) it seem like very ill in the photo but it look better in the terrariumb!!!


thanks very much brothers!! i am very worry about it. i am also new to chameleon please help!!!
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[chameleonneeds]

Cage Info:
Cage Type - exo terran glass terrariumb. size 18,18,24,
Lighting - exo terran repti glo5.0 15w; basking exo terra glow light 75w, 40cm to basking spot. 10 hours uvb;6 hours basking.
Temperature - 25 to 27 degree night time and 27 to 31 day time
Humidity - 70% to 80% spray every 4 hours during day time. and water water feature inside
Plants - all fake plants
Location - 800mm to the ground, indoor, with fan on top for ventilation.

Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - nosy be, male 1 years old
Chameleon-more than a week
Handling - havent been handling on hand
Feeding - small crickets and mealworms; 10 crickets and 3 mealworms. i feeding during morning. it eat normal. it also very willing to eat. every morning go to bottom of the cage to search for food.
Supplements - exo terra electrod3ize drop into water
Watering - water feature, water will run through a fake leaf, constainly on and turn off during night time. it does drink normally.
Fecal Description - blue with red dot and white bar. very white when the first day arrive but now comes normal. it has test for parasites and how can i test?
History - do not have period information
Current Problem - seen very weak with no strength to move. everyday morning i turn the night on, it go to bottom stright away and search for food then stay on the bottom of cage. it even it don't search for food it will stay under fake leaf and not willing for basking. (never seen it basking) sometime it will go back to middle high level for sleeping but not this two night then i bring it back on vines.
it hasnt poopoo three days ago then poopoo yestarday but again not today. second day arrived poopoo very wet and like liquid. then yestarday's 2cm long and very smelly.
today i try to bring him out to basking but finding it very weak with no strength to move. and find out one spot like injury on toe. (please have a look at the current shape of him, colour turning to darken little after i bring it out to photo.) it seem like very ill in the photo but it look better in the terrariumb!!!


thanks very much brothers!! i am very worry about it. i am also new to chameleon please help!!!
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Ok get rid of the water feature which probably is a waterfall I presume, which is probably FULL of bacteria.
Make sure he is drinkin fresh water. mist with luke warm water.
His back looks like its slouching maybe he has injured himself.
Where did you buy him from?
He could have mbd but Ive never seen it in Panther chameleons.
The white in his poop is his urates being white is good it means hes hydrated, if its yellow to orange he is dehyrated.

All you need to do is take to a vet ASAP that deals with reptiles and they are your best bet for your chams survival.

Good luck.

 

[chameleonneeds]

OK I just took a good look at the pictures and he looks real bad, another thing you said you have him in a exo terra glass terarium, you need to get him out of that I lost my cham to a glass cage for many reasons, get a screen cage a nice big one try FL chams if you live in N america.
Get the biggest one you can.
If you cant get those cages try the exo terra flexariums a hundred to 260 gallon one is best.

Like I said get him to a vet now!

 

[dodolah]

Ok get rid of the water feature which probably is a waterfall I presume, which is probably FULL of bacteria.
Make sure he is drinkin fresh water. mist with luke warm water.
His back looks like its slouching maybe he has injured himself.
Where did you buy him from?
He could have mbd but Ive never seen it in Panther chameleons.
The white in his poop is his urates being white is good it means hes hydrated, if its yellow to orange he is dehyrated.

All you need to do is take to a vet ASAP that deals with reptiles and they are your best bet for your chams survival.

Good luck.

Not trying to be nit picky since I agree with most of your statement.
But, MBD certainly can happen to Panther as well as any other chameleon species.

To Lietf001, which part of the world are you located in?
The toe seems to be infected. So, you need to bring him to the vet (like suggested by others in here)
Meanwhile there, you can have him tested for parasite as well.
You will need to take his poo (if he defecate) and deliver the poo to the vet.

 

[chameleonneeds]

Yeah I know al reptiles can get mbd but how often have we seen a thread of someones panther chameleon having mbd, its mostly Veiled I think because they live in a semi desert climate with constant uv.

 

[lietf001]

thanks very much guys, i will bring him to the vet as soon as i can. hope it turning better!!

 

[chameleonneeds]

Awsome

Ok please keep us updated.

Oh and welcome to the forums you have come to the right place

 

[dodolah]

Hi Lietf001, please keep us posted with his development.
What country do you live in? do you know a good exotic vet to go to?

Yeah I know al reptiles can get mbd but how often have we seen a thread of someones panther chameleon having mbd, its mostly Veiled I think because they live in a semi desert climate with constant uv.

you are right about the fact that many of the MBD cases are veiled.
But, i think it is because veiled are more readily available than panther chameleons. Plus, a lot of new keeper usually go with veileds since panther is much more expensive to buy.

 

[opihiman]

can we see a picture of you set up?

OPI

 

[Rocky]

you definitely need to get him a bigger screened cage. I would say a 2ft x 2ft x 4ft would be minimum for a panther 1yr old.

 

[opihiman]

sorry for the double post, and i would have to agree your cham needs to get to a vet...has your cham been to the vet before?

Also Welcome to the forums!

What part of the world are you from?

OPI

 

[chameleonneeds]

Thats also a thing I thought of, begginers normaly only have Veileds available to them and if a very new begginer had to buy a young panther and not supplement and give proper uvb source then it would also get mbd.

Good point dodolah.

 

[lietf001]

thanks everyone. my location is in hongkong. please have a look at my set up and the update photo. now it is sleeping and the photo showing his the current shape. and i also have a sub adult. please have a look. the sub love to basking. but the adult doesnt so it make me worry alot.!!!

thanks again everyone and i am taking it to reptile vet to have a look or chat with them first see what they say.!!

 

[opihiman]

are your chams both in the same viv?


If so they need to be separated. One of the two is probably being more dominant. Any time that the other come up, the dom chases that one back down...

2 chams together will also lead to a stressful environment ulitmately leading to one chams death...

OPI

 

[lietf001]

no they are not is the same cage. there is two different one but they are side by side and with back colour board in between.

 

[kinyonga]

I agree that your chameleon needs to go to a vet right away.

Is there any calcium or phosphorous in the exo terra electrod3ize?

 

[DylanN]

Ya glass is a no no, I also think its way way way too small for the cham your having problems with.

 

[bucky]

I think you should take both to the vet, the one basking doesnt look too good.

 

[ciafardo 4]

how do you like the way he calls him it it sleeping a pic of it pooping here it is chasing mom round the house but all jokes aside he does need to be looked at asap

 

[kinyonga]

nei ho (ni hao) lietf001,
There is nothing wrong with the glass cages as long as the temperatures don't get too hot in them and there is no water left standing on the floor of them. I have kept chameleons in glass cages for many years.

Can you post another shot of the foot please?

Is there any calcium or phosphorous in the exo terra electrod3ize?