Possible adoption, does he look healthy to you?

HouseofZoo

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Ok, so I'm considering taking this guy in, but he looks awfully thin and I would hate to hand someone money for neglecting him.
 

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He looks extremely thin and dehydrated! Who's chameleon is this? Can you ask the person if he is willing to give away his chameleon to you for free? This guy needs a vet visit, tlc, and lots of water and food.
 
This picture made me cringe... :( He is VERY thin and looks like he is VERY dehydrated. It depends on how much they are asking... He needs a trip to the Vet. and that is not cheap. I wouldn't but it all comes down to what YOU want to do. You can try and get the price lowered or even get him for free. :)
 
I know it seems obvious, but I've never owned a veiled, so as silly as it sounds I wasn't sure if their bodies were the "same" as a jacksons.

The owner actually wanted to trade me some crested geckos for him, but that's not happening, but I was going to offer to take him off his hands.
 
I know it seems obvious, but I've never owned a veiled, so as silly as it sounds I wasn't sure if their bodies were the "same" as a jacksons.

The owner actually wanted to trade me some crested geckos for him, but that's not happening, but I was going to offer to take him off his hands.

No worries... My first Panther Chameleon looked similar to this guy, all bones and very sunken in eyes and I had no idea he was sick until I joined this forum and did more research. He was given to me with a small dinky cage, a peice of wood, and substrate. He passed 3 days after I got him... :( I think that with his current state plus the stress of moving him around got to him.

If you do decide to go ahead and rescue him, keep us updated and good luck!:)
 
I know it seems obvious, but I've never owned a veiled, so as silly as it sounds I wasn't sure if their bodies were the "same" as a jacksons.

The owner actually wanted to trade me some crested geckos for him, but that's not happening, but I was going to offer to take him off his hands.
You can't do worse than the current owner if you take advice from the forum standards round here. This is a good place to start - https://www.chameleonforums.com/blo...-keepers-young-veiled-panther-chameleons.html

Good luck, he doesn't look good, but he does look savable.
 
Wow I feel so bad for that cham! He looks like a zombie! But he does look like he has a grip and appears alert... I'm only a new owner myself but he just looks like he needs help.
 
You can save this guy with just a extra amount of tlc. He needs a decent environment with proper lights, water, air and cage size. Combine that with some decent food and hydrate him tons. Maybe after you have his a bit built back up get a fecal and check for parasites. I would wait on the fecal as he doesn't need the added stress of any medication at this time. Some silkies and horns would be great to help hydrate him. Let us know what you decide to do.
 
I would rescue him. He does look like he needs a lot of tlc. But, once you do all that he looks like he could be a nice colorful healthy veiled.
 
They are remarkably resilient for all their apparent fragility. They do bounce back. In caring, informed hands, that animal can regain his strength and probably live for quite awhile. If you can get him without giving up any of your babies to him, that would be good, but also consider that chameleon care is a bit outside the norm for most reptiles, so the fact that he flubbed the chameleon does not mean he won't do well by the geckos.
 
Well, we have a Jacksons right now and he's gaining weight like a champ, so I think we're doing good by him. He's so hilarious to me, such a temper, sometimes just for walking by!

This is what we do for him and you guys can tell me if it will work for the veiled.

18x18x36 all screen cage. Live plants, willow stick and faux jungle vine (looks like beef jerky sticks to me). There's a plastic fern that hangs from the back and we have a cool mist ultrasonic humidifier that feeds to the top and condenses on the fern causing a drip. He has a 5.0 uvb bulb and a heat bulb. His highest basking spot is usually reading 85-86 and the lower portion of the cage is in the 70's.

His primary diet is crickets, dusted in calcium once daily, multivitamins once weekly and calcium w/d3 one day a month. Crickets are gutloaded parrot pellets, because we also have birds, greens, orange, carrots and whatever else I feel like throwing in with them. The dubia are fed the same diet and are dusted as well, but I'm confused on what size dubia and superworms he can eat, so I've been limiting his intake to crickets for the most part with smaller dubia. Blah blah I know. Anyhow, all the corners are sealed so I'm able to cup feed him his gutloaded and dusted crickets, but I also let a couple loose in his cage to give him something to do, he's an awesome hunter. Now sure if I'm missing anything. Does this sound good, should I take in the veiled? Would he be ok in an 18x18x36 or would he need a larger cage. I know for a fact that he is in a 16x16x20 right now.

<sigh> I think in 30 years I'll be on TLC as the star of an Animal Hoarders show....lol I'm addicted to the abused and neglected animals, even my potty mouthed, cussin like a sailor, macaw.
 
A bigger cage would be better. This is a substantially larger animal. However, I've seen people make that size work. Blocking off vision on 3 sides seemed to be a bit of a component in that. The basking temp is on the low end for a veiled. You could take it to the 85-90 range.
 
18x18x36 all screen cage. Live plants, willow stick and faux jungle vine (looks like beef jerky sticks to me). There's a plastic fern that hangs from the back and we have a cool mist ultrasonic humidifier that feeds to the top and condenses on the fern causing a drip. He has a 5.0 uvb bulb and a heat bulb. His highest basking spot is usually reading 85-86 and the lower portion of the cage is in the 70's.

His primary diet is crickets, dusted in calcium once daily, multivitamins once weekly and calcium w/d3 one day a month. Crickets are gutloaded parrot pellets, because we also have birds, greens, orange, carrots and whatever else I feel like throwing in with them. The dubia are fed the same diet and are dusted as well, but I'm confused on what size dubia and superworms he can eat, so I've been limiting his intake to crickets for the most part with smaller dubia. Blah blah I know. Anyhow, all the corners are sealed so I'm able to cup feed him his gutloaded and dusted crickets, but I also let a couple loose in his cage to give him something to do, he's an awesome hunter. Now sure if I'm missing anything. Does this sound good, should I take in the veiled? Would he be ok in an 18x18x36 or would he need a larger cage. I know for a fact that he is in a 16x16x20 right now.

<sigh> I think in 30 years I'll be on TLC as the star of an Animal Hoarders show....lol I'm addicted to the abused and neglected animals, even my potty mouthed, cussin like a sailor, macaw.


I don't know anything about parrot pellets, but if you check what is in them we can see if it is ok for chameleons. Other than than you are spot on. I also have a dripper on mine for extra drinking sources.
The new guy would do better with a 24x24x48, at the least a 24x24x36. The 18 just doesn't really give him adequate moving room. He will want temps a bit warmer, and a dripper instead of the humidifier. Veileds are more desert chameleons than jacksons.

I have finally, in the past year, stopped taking in every animal in need. You and I are right there together. Just be careful, you can spread your self so thin you just get burned out on the whole thing. That is what was happening to me.

I love your swearing parrot.
 
This is the nutritional info on the zupreem pellets. They're sort of like a dog food for birds. NOT a staple diet of any of our birds, just get's added in once or twice a week as sort of a supplement because I can't be sure the birds even eat the food I give them or just play with it. It's basically crap, but it get's vitamins and stuff in them on occasion.


Ground corn, Soybean meal, Ground wheat, Vegetable
oil, Wheat germ meal, Sucrose, Dicalcium phosphate,
Calcium carbonate, Ground fruit (bananas, oranges,
apples and grapes), Iodized salt, DL-Methionine, Choline
chloride, L-Lysine, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate, Natural
mixed tocopherols, Rosemary extract, Citric acid, Natural
and artificial colors, Artificial flavors, Canthaxanthin,
Manganous oxide, Zinc oxide, Copper sulfate, Calcium
iodate, Sodium selenite, Vitamin A supplement, Vitamin
D3 supplement, Vitamin E supplement, Vitamin K
supplement, Niacin, Calcium pantothenate, Pyridoxine
hydrochloride, Thiamine, Riboflavin, Folic acid, Biotin,
Vitamin B12 supplement


Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein Not less than 14.0%
Crude Fat Not less than 4.0%
Crude Fiber Not greater than 3.5%
Moisture Not greater than 10.0%

If I don't use pellets I'll usually use some grain free sample dog food we pick up when we buy or dog food. Usually an evo type food.

Boy I make it sound like we have tons of animals and I guess to some people who do have too many, but I don't think so.

We have 5 birds: 1 harlequin macaw, 2 vos eclectus and 2 blue crown conures
We have 2 dogs: 1 english mastiff (mini-horse) and 1 lab
I have a freshwater planted fish tank
We have 2 bearded dragons, 1 Jacksons Chameleon and 4 crested geckos

And every one of them eats better than we do lol

I'm hoping to give this guy a home, but now all of a sudden I'm unable to get ahold of the guy. Hoping he's just busy and hasn't gotten a chance to get back to me yet.
 
I keep veileds and they are such a pleasure to work with. My blog for new keepers was posted for you up above by David. I think with some TLC he'll be a gorgeous boy. He has some great colors.
 
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