Put my chameleon in the wrong cage "oops"

[CleanHome Chameleons]

hi there all, today my mate came round to see my panther chameleons and he asked if he could see the difference between a male and female I said ov course i will show u. So i showed him my male who is about 10 months old then i got the female out and returned them to the cage upon going to check them before i went out i could not find the female!! as i turned round and to my horror i have accdiently placed her in with the male( she is only about 9 or so months old ) while i was down stairs talking he mounted her and thats witch way i found them.


shall i leave them for a few days? is she to young? Shall i make a laying bin?


Mark

 

[NosyBeT360]

If you weren't planning on eggs i would seperate them so you don't end up with way more than you can handle.

Youll need to prepare a laying bin with washed play sand or a safe organic soil. I would check out forum member Jannb she has made an amazing blog about laying bins and the egg laying process. I would also watch Forum member Dez videos on laying bins and about female chameleons receptivity and when they are gravid. All will be immensely helpful to you!

The same sort of thing happened to me! Just be sure to give your girl what she needs and she will be fine!! Good luck!!

 

[CleanHome Chameleons]

I was not planning for eggs well not untill a few more months, oh well see what happens she is still receptive and the male has not stopped bobbing lol i want to garrentee i have mated so shall i leave her in or ??

thanks mark

 

[PantherEnvy]

Keep tabs on them. Keep them together 2-3 days. Have a laying bin ready. Read up on egg laying, incubation, caring for your hatched younglings, and finding good homes for the little guys n gals...Enjoy it and have some fun!

 

[NosyBeT360]

If you do leave them together be sure to keep tabs on them as was mentioned. The female can become aggressive once she is gravid or the male can decide he has had enough and try to push her off a branch. My male tryed to push my female off the branch it looked to me before I seperated them.

 

[creddjobs]

I love the way she wraps her tail around his....they are either in LOVE or she is just enjoying it! LOL nice pic

 

[CleanHome Chameleons]

Hey peeps now she looking like this I take it she is gravid colours ??

Mark

 

[trd1215]

Hey peeps now she looking like this I take it she is gravid colours ??

Mark

Yes Gravid! She has reject all males colors lol

 

[TreeTopChameleons]

I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but am I the only one on these forums that has an issue with the OP's first post? You claim that you accidently placed your very very young (9 & 10 month old) chameleons in the same cage and ask for advice. Then 13 minutes later you are asking for advice about how you can guarantee that they have successfully mated? Are you sure you are prepared to care for 20+ chameleons? If you had indeed made a mistake, would it not have made more sense to remove your female immediately once you had discovered the mix up? 9 months old is far too young in my opinion...even the accepted 1yr age for breeding seems to young for me. Just a thought...

 

[chameleoman]

I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but am I the only one on these forums that has an issue with the OP's first post? You claim that you accidently placed your very very young (9 & 10 month old) chameleons in the same cage and ask for advice. Then 13 minutes later you are asking for advice about how you can guarantee that they have successfully mated? Are you sure you are prepared to care for 20+ chameleons? If you had indeed made a mistake, would it not have made more sense to remove your female immediately once you had discovered the mix up? 9 months old is far too young in my opinion...even the accepted 1yr age for breeding seems to young for me. Just a thought...

that is sounding like a jerk. i bred my female at a very young age to because she was receptive if they weren't meant to be bred at that young of a age why do they get there colors? BECAUSE They're ready. so don't be mean to this guy all we can do is help him now whats done is done. i went through this exact same thing in my old thread. and i don't want any arguments over this.

 

[TreeTopChameleons]

I stand by what I said, he claims he had a mix up and placed the young female in the wrong cage, only to then post again 13 minutes later asking how to guarantee that had mated. That to me is the sign of someone who did something that they thought was wrong, so they made up a story about it. Rather than just say, I decided to mate my female chameleon, what do I do next.

 

[Rambully]

if they weren't meant to be bred at that young of a age why do they get there colors? BECAUSE They're ready.

Just because something CAN be done doesn't mean it SHOULD be done! Also the ability to become gravid isn't necessarily the same as readiness IMO. A 10-12 year old girl could become pregnant but does that mean that it's in her best interest health wise? Obviously accidents happen (if this situation really wasnt intended) but purposefully breeding at such a young age is really putting your cham's and the resulting offspring's health at risk.

 

[TreeTopChameleons]

Thank you for your input Rambully...its really annoying when I see a message like that from Chameleoman supporting underage breeding. But clearly ethics are not that important to them, as I've seen chameleoman selling 3 week old chams in the classifieds....I guess its hard to expect any other sort of response from a 14yr old kid.

 

[Lathelia]

Just because something CAN be done doesn't mean it SHOULD be done! Also the ability to become gravid isn't necessarily the same as readiness IMO. A 10-12 year old girl could become pregnant but does that mean that it's in her best interest health wise? Obviously accidents happen (if this situation really wasnt intended) but purposefully breeding at such a young age is really putting your cham's and the resulting offspring's health at risk.

I agree 100%, it was discussed many times here, I also strongly belive it's not healty for female to breed at that young age. And why the OP asked if he can leave them to be sure she is prego?? If it were me I would have separeted them immediately and pray she wouldn't gravid!

 

[justjumpit621]

Give it a rest people, what happened has already happened, she's gravid and no one can change the outcome so why don't you just help the person if not for them for the chameleon.

and thinking about the OP, they did not want to breed the chameleons so young, but if your chameleon is going to end up going through the laying process anyway why not make it worth it? Why if your going to be breeding them anyway make her breed twice with one infertile instead of just one fertile clutch? Just what I take out of it.

 

[CleanHome Chameleons]

In my aponion she is far to young to breed and it was not my intention. She is a pet. Rather than strain her body to produce infertile eggs I left the male in incase she lays fertile eggs. 13 mins late I was thinking if the female experience the same stress and strain producing fertile eggs as infertile eggs to me it would be the same strain and stress. Thats why I asked the question. She has never laid before and for that matter never seen a male panther. I have put a laying bin in ready and hope her food a little and dusting with pure calcium. Yes I will learn from my mistakes. And yes I am ready for babys. I even have and incubator.

 

[AngieL]

Just want to say that fertile and infertile clutches are not the same. Fertile eggs take more calcium and are larger and so harder to lay and takes more out of the female. I'm not arguing with anyone about what happened just adding this because some of you say it's the same as having an infertile clutch.

 

[KarmaChameleon1337]

Give it a rest people, what happened has already happened, she's gravid and no one can change the outcome so why don't you just help the person if not for them for the chameleon.

and thinking about the OP, they did not want to breed the chameleons so young, but if your chameleon is going to end up going through the laying process anyway why not make it worth it? Why if your going to be breeding them anyway make her breed twice with one infertile instead of just one fertile clutch? Just what I take out of it.

Not exactly true... fertile eggs are a lot harder on a female then infertile. They're larger. There's also the chance of retaining sperm, so she could have another clutch later that is also fertile. That is also a lot harder on the female. OP said she's just a pet, not a breeder.

 

[CleanHome Chameleons]

Am sure I will be ok. How long before laying?

I really hope she lays infertile eggs as I don't want to strain her and reduce her life span.

People believe what they want but this was an accident and I have to deal with it.

Thanks for those people who gave me the advice and for those who never thanks for your opinion.

At the end of the day I am a guy who keeps a few panthers as pets and was wanting to breed them well after a year.

Like any body reading this who hasent put something in the wrong place before. Ie put something in the bin/trash that they wanted.


Thanks Mark

 

[yankfanthom]

I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but am I the only one on these forums that has an issue with the OP's first post? You claim that you accidently placed your very very young (9 & 10 month old) chameleons in the same cage and ask for advice. Then 13 minutes later you are asking for advice about how you can guarantee that they have successfully mated? Are you sure you are prepared to care for 20+ chameleons? If you had indeed made a mistake, would it not have made more sense to remove your female immediately once you had discovered the mix up? 9 months old is far too young in my opinion...even the accepted 1yr age for breeding seems to young for me. Just a thought...

In my opinion... You need to do more research. A female panther sexually matures at 6 months. Do you think they wait a year in the wild to mate? This wait until she is 12 months or older thing is really just what some keepers place as also another opinion when breeding in captivity. A female will determine whether she is ready or not by becoming receptive and if she allowed the male to mount then she obviously is receptive to the mating. The OP shouldn't worry. Just keep that girl supplemented and happy and she will do just fine.