Put my chameleon in the wrong cage "oops"

I just want to clarify, my arguement has nothing to do with morality, as I said I am speaking strictly on the physical ability to give birth. Yes a 6 month old chameleon can give birth, yes a 12yr old girl can give birth, but can we not all agree that both would be better off to wait until they themselves had finished maturing and reached their adult sizes? That is my point, morality has nothing to do with it.
 
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I just want to clarify, my arguement has nothing to do with morality, as I said I am speaking strictly on the physical ability to give birth. Yes a 6 month old chameleon can give birth, yes a 12yr old girl can give birth, but can we not all agree that both would be better off to wait until they themselves had finished maturing and reached their adult sizes? That is my point, morality has nothing to do with it.
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Makes sense.
 
TreeTopChameleons said:
I just want to clarify, my arguement has nothing to do with morality, as I said I am speaking strictly on the physical ability to give birth. Yes a 6 month old chameleon can give birth, yes a 12yr old girl can give birth, but can we not all agree that both would be better off to wait until they themselves had finished maturing and reached their adult sizes? That is my point, morality has nothing to do with it.
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It looks to me like you change your argument topic every time you post...

If you're not going to help the OP in your post, that makes it irrelevant to the thread. I do have a question though... have you ever bred chams?
 
My arguement has stayed the same. I am against what I consider to be underage breeding. I'm not going to get into a side arguement, or pissing match with you. Yes I have bred chameleons, and many other reptiles as well. I also owned a pet store for 7 years. I also worked for a pet store for 4 years during highschool. I have no need to list my qualifications to you, as I am not attempting to convert anyone into believing what I believe. If you feel 6 months if a good age to breed, then that is your right as an owner. Just leave the stories of accidental matings out of it, and come out and admit, I wanted to have babies and didn't want to wait any longer.
 
TreeTopChameleons said:
My arguement has stayed the same. I am against what I consider to be underage breeding. I'm not going to get into a side arguement, or pissing match with you. Yes I have bred chameleons, and many other reptiles as well. I also owned a pet store for 7 years. I also worked for a pet store for 4 years during highschool. I have no need to list my qualifications to you, as I am not attempting to convert anyone into believing what I believe. If you feel 6 months if a good age to breed, then that is your right as an owner. Just leave the stories of accidental matings out of it, and come out and admit, I wanted to have babies and didn't want to wait any longer.
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I have never mated a 6 month old but back to the point that the op could have actually just have done it by accident. We have no reason to not believe him that is was just an accident. But to be perfect a female should have at least a year of age before breeding. I was just saying 2 months earlier isn't the end for her.
 
Oh DJ my response wasnt to you, it was to Swayne8998. I agree with you 2 months earlier is not the end of the world, it just isnt ideal in my opinion.
 
Got to page 3 and stopped reading... people need to stop knit picking at peoples post and what happened or what didn't happen. Let it be, its his chameleons... who are you to judge whether or not he "accidently" put the female in the males? So what it happened that way or it didn't.. he obviously had a plan to breed in the future anyway so he is asking for help. Give him the help not hell. I also second the fact that you can breed a chameleon at a younger age. If she has the weight and has matured then she can mate. This having to wait after a whole year is your own personal opinion which we respect. So do him and the rest of us the same curtousy and respect our decision to mate when we see fit. It is not unhealthy to wait until she is of proper weight and maturity. You would just rather do it a little later which is fine...

Closing rant.. I have been reading these posts for the past couple of weeks and seen quite a bit of bashing. More than I have wanted to see so people please just ultimately remember that we are here to help... not judge and tell others how aweful they are for making "stupid" mistakes.
 
So then people, a female human life expectancy is around 80 years old and just say a female panther is 4 years.

Young girls are not ment to get pregnant under 16 so she's lead 18 percent of her life before she's ready and allowed to have sex.

If a female panther waits till a year or more till she is allowed to breed she will had lead over 25 percent of her life that's assuming she lives till 4 years If she only lives till 3 years she would have lived over 35 percent of her life. Before breeding.

So for people who are comparing breeding chams and humans it's no comparison.

If she was not ready to breed she would have not let him mount her. If its not right to breed at a young age why dose it happen in the wild. Why do most males get colour at 6 months. To me most people wait for bigger females to get bigger clutches equaling more cash. And chams are super fast growers and have a short life span in the wild so I'd say they woul breed young to ensure the species survives

I checked my charts today and her weight on the 15 July was 59.65 grams and I weighed her today and she weighed 62.35 then I checks my other older female who is 12 and a half months and she was only 60
.12 grams(she as never laid) so to me she is just advanced as an older Cham who is ready. The one that is gravid now I have had from a few months old as fead her every day without a single daily feed missed an my other female I also had from 2 months I fead her every other day and she is no where near the same size as this one. So there all different every single one. People's choice


Mark
 
Chameleons are out of control these days, getting knocked up so young.

Maybe MTV will make a show based on your chameleon!

Sorry for the useless post; just add it to the other 20 from this thread.

Good luck!
 
It's not me saying all this stuff and going on about shite If i had ov known people would have been so argumentive I would have not posted the OP but I did. I could start another by saying I have Mated two different locales lol then wht would peoples say
 
Op- hows the female doing? did you take them apart? i dont recomend keeping them together. shes seems like she was large enough and she really wasnt that young. i dont see any type of problems and i hope you get some wonderful babies. you should start a piggy bank now beacuse babies will eat you out of house and home. i also suggest you work with fruit flys a few weeks before hatching and plain on a retained clutch.

Goodluck! there are alot of gr8 blogs you can read. if you feel unhappy about peoples responces you can PM and i will give you names of other members who could probally give you better advise on babies as i havent had any :)
 
Thread re-opened conditionally

I am re-opening this thread under the conditions that any future posts should be strictly limited to addressing the issue at hand concerning the two chameleons of the OP. Arguing and harassing will not be tolerated and if the posts start to degrade then those posts will be deleted and the thread removed. Clean it up or shut it up.
 
She is off all food and coming down to bottom of cage now over the past few days. Any advice on an incubator and temps and humidity and if I need to put eggs into a disapause or not. I am in the uk and my room holds about 74f buts it's coming up to winter so if any body could recommend a incubator that I can get over hear

Many thanks
Mark
 
An incubator is something you should of got prepared upon the initial mating. From what you've said it seems she'll lay those eggs in no time. You'll need to get an incubator quick, you'll need to leave it running for a day to make sure it isn't faulty either because, faulties do happen easily with these things and with 6-9 months of incubation time is enough time for anything to go wrong.

If you have cash search around for an exo terra incubator, maybe a hovabator or something like that. If you can't find anything you should build one, you can find lots of ways on how to build one on Youtube.

Good luck I hope she lays with out any problems and that you have some babies 6-9 months from now!
 
You can break the diapause or you can just incubate at 72+ for the whole incubation. If you want to break the diapause, leave the eggs at 74 for about 3-4 weeks then slowly lower the temps that you have now (1-2 degrees a week) until they are in 65-68 degrees. Leave them at that temp for at least 6-8 weeks. Then slowly raise the temps (1-2 degrees a week) until you reach 76-78 degrees. Leave them at that temp until they hatch.
 
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