Random breeding question

[Johnny909]

Hello,

I plan one day, when I feel I have had good success with my current panther, to maybe breed, I find the challenge appealing, maybe in a few years.

Here is my question....

How do artistic breeders select the female when doing selective breeding? If the females Dad was a spectacular chameleon, will the dads color genes tag onto the female and possibly come back out if she herself has a baby male?

Im not to sure how to phrase my question, but I guess im wondering how far back do top breeders go when selecting females for the top lineup, since they have less color and im guessing its harder to know what they will put out.

 

[jrh3]

bloodline is bloodline, even if it is a female with no color. With that said there are so many panthers being produced right now, i think cross breeds are becoming more attractive, I see the panther chameleon within 2 years a common as a veiled and cheap also. Right now panthers are the new black and will soon be a beginners chameleon there are so many other chameleons that no one give credit to its like the chameleon community is stuck in a panther hole.

 

[Ekaj13]

bloodline is bloodline, even if it is a female with no color. With that said there are so many panthers being produced right now, i think cross breeds are becoming more attractive, I see the panther chameleon within 2 years a common as a veiled and cheap also. Right now panthers are the new black and will soon be a beginners chameleon there are so many other chameleons that no one give credit to its like the chameleon community is stuck in a panther hole.

I agree, however I think it will take a few more years than 2... That said, proven beautiful bloodlines will still command a premium for some time.

 

[pssh]

Sometimes. My male sambava looks nothing like his father and has much brighter colors. His father only turns bright green with black bars and a peachy orange color on his throat when he fires up. My male turns completely yellow or orange with black or red bars. He also has a lot of white facial barring which I absolutely love! it just depends.

 

[jandie]

Sometimes. My male sambava looks nothing like his father and has much brighter colors. His father only turns bright green with black bars and a peachy orange color on his throat when he fires up. My male turns completely yellow or orange with black or red bars. He also has a lot of white facial barring which I absolutely love! it just depends.

but doesn't that possibly somewhat support what is being said about the effects of the females genetics? it would depend on how closely related the color genes in both the female and the male were to the colors genes of the father.... but i suppose it's also like 2 blonds having a red-headed child...lol.... sometimes the gene is just there...

 

[pssh]

I just meant that you can't really tell if a particular pair of chameleons will put out "amazing" babies or not. Knowing what the sire to a female looks like is just kind of a potential possibility for the offspring. There is also a lot of variation between individuals from the same clutch. So, again, it just depends.

 

[Johnny909]

bloodline is bloodline, even if it is a female with no color. With that said there are so many panthers being produced right now, i think cross breeds are becoming more attractive, I see the panther chameleon within 2 years a common as a veiled and cheap also. Right now panthers are the new black and will soon be a beginners chameleon there are so many other chameleons that no one give credit to its like the chameleon community is stuck in a panther hole.

I would not be in it for money, just for the hobby.

So from from what I understand from the answers, you cant really "create" a new color pattern by selecting specific bloodlines to the point you kinda know what they are gonna somewhat look like in advance. Im just curious cause when I do buy a female, i want to see her bloodline so I can try and make some original babies. Maybe I would cross i dunno, i dont care about the value of the chameleon i just wanna advance in the hobby some day and maybe create something cool.

 

[pssh]

A lot of people would argue that crossing would not be advancing at all.

 

[jojackson]

This may be helpful Johnny

http://www.theurbanboa.com/introduction-reptile-genetics

 

[Johnny909]

This may be helpful Johnny

http://www.theurbanboa.com/introduction-reptile-genetics

That looks very interesting, I will sure read this when I get home! Would not be much of a influence if I started reading all that in front of my sales team :-S i wish chameleons where part of my job, i just cant seem to indulge myself to satisfaction!

Thanks for the link!

 

[jrh3]

That looks very interesting, I will sure read this when I get home! Would not be much of a influence if I started reading all that in front of my sales team :-S i wish chameleons where part of my job, i just cant seem to indulge myself to satisfaction!

Thanks for the link!

I dont think there is any actual morphs when it comes to chameleons, There is trans. Veileds and thats about it. I have never saw an albino, so genetics in producing stuff like blue, or strawberry red it not really gonna happen. I have had veileds that are turquoise and some that are yellow but genetic wise they are not morphs. Panthers are just locales and not morphs.