Rare Chameleons from Madagascar available in 2013

[Chameleons Canada]

I want to clarify this is not a sales pitch, but a very interesting fact. As many of you know I am a direct importer from Madagascar, as I am preparing my next shipment, I got an email from one of my suppliers mentioning a small quota of these species will be issued, see below; I was quite surprised:

Calumma boettgeri
calumma brevicorne
Calumma crypticum
calumma gastrotaenia
calumma guillaumeti
calumma malthe
calumma marojezense
calumma nasutum
calumma oshaughnessyi
calumma parsonii
Furcifer antimena
Furcifer bifidus
Furcifer petteri
Furcifer willsii

I don't think I'll bring any of the above, these are rare and I don't know that many fellows in Canada that may even know what these are. Anyhow I just thought this was something interesting to share with you.

Edgar T.

 

[deadhd5]

I want to clarify this is not a sales pitch, but a very interesting fact. As many of you know I am a direct importer from Madagascar, as I am preparing my next shipment, I got an email from one of my suppliers mentioning a small quota of these species will be issued, see below; I was quite surprised:

Calumma boettgeri
calumma brevicorne
Calumma crypticum
calumma gastrotaenia
calumma guillaumeti
calumma malthe
calumma marojezense
calumma nasutum
calumma oshaughnessyi
calumma parsonii
Furcifer antimena
Furcifer bifidus
Furcifer petteri
Furcifer willsii

I don't think I'll bring any of the above, these are rare and I don't know that many fellows in Canada that may even know what these are. Anyhow I just thought this was something interesting to share with you.

Edgar T.

Wow, I have never heard of any of these besides parsons in captivity in NOAM. Calumma Brevicorne is my favorite looking chameleon species, I would love to see one in person

Thanks for sharing, I will be interested to know more about the legal status of these imports.

 

[Kent67]

Heard the same from a long-time exporter a couple days ago but didn't see a list. VERY interesting!!

 

[showjet95]

Im just happy that many keepers now are MUCH more experienced and knowledgeable and that there is so much more info out there now regarding captive care of chameleons. The last time any of these species were coming in was almost a certain death wish for them. That list has many thoughts going through my head, and one of them is the sight of my bank acct draining!

 

[kameleons jvo]

I want to clarify this is not a sales pitch, but a very interesting fact. As many of you know I am a direct importer from Madagascar, as I am preparing my next shipment, I got an email from one of my suppliers mentioning a small quota of these species will be issued, see below; I was quite surprised:

Calumma boettgeri
calumma brevicorne
Calumma crypticum
calumma gastrotaenia
calumma guillaumeti
calumma malthe
calumma marojezense
calumma nasutum
calumma oshaughnessyi
calumma parsonii
Furcifer antimena
Furcifer bifidus
Furcifer petteri
Furcifer willsii

I don't think I'll bring any of the above, these are rare and I don't know that many fellows in Canada that may even know what these are. Anyhow I just thought this was something interesting to share with you.

Edgar T.

Had a long talk with Olaf Pronk,he told me these would be available for next quotas for Madagascar.
They can not go to Europe because they said no for importing these species.(at least not for the upcoming 2 to 3 years before they take another decision)
Majority will go to Asia and specially Japan,a small part to the US;
Big differences in quotas pro specie,antimena 50 animals parsonii 250 pieces.
To bad the most beautiful isnt in it furcifer minor

 

[Chameleons Canada]

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Majority will go to Asia and specially Japan,a small part to the US;
Big differences in quotas pro specie,antimena 50 animals parsonii 250 pieces.
To bad the most beautiful isnt in it furcifer minor

Yeap, Parsonii for sure are coming to Canada, I'm keeping a pair for myself or Calumma oshaughnessyi, they are just gorgeous.

 

[Kent67]

Apparently F. rhinoceratus will have a quota, as well. Now we can make F. angeli's!

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

Thanks for an update! This is big news especially after about two decades of being banned. It would be great to eventually see Calumma globifer on this list too however only after this species has been delisted from an endangered species and more of its habitat conserved. It is great there is actually finally some amounts of Calummas that are available for study and to be worked with as specimens for the hobby here in North America.

 

[leo]

This are great news indeed. Hopefully successful breeding programs can be stablished in the US this time around.

 

[PattyCake]

I only know about the Parson's and would love one, but don't have the space!

 

[DanSB]

Should we be cheering that all of the wild populations for these are now stable enough to allow for exports? Apparently EU biologists still disagree?

I don't like the fact that any idiot with a few bucks will be able to grab one of these. I'm going to vomit in my mouth the first time I see someone with no experience looking for a care sheet on one of these gems.

I'll be glad to be wrong.

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

Should we be cheering that all of the wild populations for these are now stable enough to allow for exports? Apparently EU biologists still disagree?

I don't like the fact that any idiot with a few bucks will be able to grab one of these. I'm going to vomit in my mouth the first time I see someone with no experience looking for a care sheet on one of these gems.

I'll be glad to be wrong.

Dan

The EU disagrees yet they agree. CITES is an European organization. It is kind of a bizarre situation that they approve and still disapprove their own situation. It maybe they do not approve there CITES quotas to Europe as they have got all these species already established there. Even though that kind of situation does not seem ideal at all.

As for the idiots I think the prices being high for many of the species is going to slow them down and with conservative quotas most of these chameleon are going to be snatch up by worthy keepers. For a change in the North America this time it won't just be Calumma parsonii and Panther Chameleon that are going to sell at high prices. I expect Calumma oshaughnessyi, Furcifer bifidus and a couple others are going to have high prices too.

Jeremy A. Rich

 

[Kent67]

F. campani wasn't that expensive this year. I'm wondering what quotas will be like for the more common species like C. nasutum will be. F. antimena will supposedly only have a quota of 50. They're saying the quotas for these species will amount to an additional 6000+ chameleons per year so I'm real curious to see how it breaks down.

 

[Chameleonmaster]

I'm shocked that they are allowing calumma species to be exported, i thought they'd never be exported again. i agree with DanSB, they saw it at a reptile show and bought it with no clue on how to care for it.

 

[CarlC]

F. petteri is my first choice. F. rhinoceratus would be second.

Of course if minor was available I could care less about the other species. No question the best species I ever kept!

Carl

 

[PattyCake]

I don't like the fact that any idiot with a few bucks will be able to grab one of these. I'm going to vomit in my mouth the first time I see someone with no experience looking for a care sheet on one of these gems.

What exactly do you mean by idiots? Do you mean people who have only had experience with veileds and panthers or people who have never had chameleons before? Just asking

 

[Chris Anderson]

The EU disagrees yet they agree. CITES is an European organization. It is kind of a bizarre situation that they approve and still disapprove their own situation. It maybe they do not approve there CITES quotas to Europe as they have got all these species already established there. Even though that kind of situation does not seem ideal at all.

Just to clarify, CITES is not an European organization (its akin to saying the UN is a US organization because its headquarters is in NY). It is based in Europe and Switzerland acts as their Depositary Government, but it is an international organization of Party States with the Secretariat being administered by the UNEP (United Nations Environment Programme). The European entity that would prevent any of these species from being imported to the EU should CITES issue quotas for them is not CITES, but a system of Annexes from the EU Wildlife Trade Regulations which relate to what can be traded in the EU (http://ec.europa.eu/environment/cites/pdf/differences_b_eu_and_cites.pdf).

Chris

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

Just to clarify, CITES is not an European organization (its akin to saying the UN is a US organization because its headquarters is in NY). It is based in Europe and Switzerland acts as their Depositary Government, but it is an international organization of Party States with the Secretariat being administered by the UNEP (United Nations Environment Programme). The European entity that would prevent any of these species from being imported to the EU should CITES issue quotas for them is not CITES, but a system of Annexes from the EU Wildlife Trade Regulations which relate to what can be traded in the EU (http://ec.europa.eu/environment/cites/pdf/differences_b_eu_and_cites.pdf).

Chris

Chris

Thanks for the clarification I was a bit off on my recollection there and thanks for the reading material.

Jeremy A. Rich

 

[Carlton]

calumma brevicorne
calumma malthe
calumma nasutum
Furcifer antimena
Furcifer bifidus
Furcifer willsii

OHHH! My faves! Was lucky enough to see them in the wild. How I've wished to have another chance. Well, wishful thinking really as I don't live in a very cham-friendly place at the moment and would not want to risk any of them.

 

[Carlton]

Should we be cheering that all of the wild populations for these are now stable enough to allow for exports? Apparently EU biologists still disagree?

I highly doubt someone knows enough about these populations to claim they are stable enough for collection. IMHO I bet they ended up with quotas for much less "noble" reasons. But, I'm certainly not updated on population research there. Maybe they were considering how much stabilized habitat these species still have available or that they are showing up in degraded habitats once someone actually starts looking for them.