RBBB male. ~9months.

[bobcochran]

 

[bobcochran]

Interesting lighting difference between one side of my yard and the other; sunny side more red reflection, shady side more blue reflection.

 

[Ramrod]

Interesting lighting difference between one side of my yard and the other; sunny side more red reflection, shady side more blue reflection.

Always curious as what the different letters (RBBB) and such signify with panthers. Does it have to do with breeding?

 

[AmandaS]

Always curious as what the different letters (RBBB) and such signify with panthers. Does it have to do with breeding?

Red body blue bar
But I'm always curious as to how to determine.
This panther is obviously a rbbb when flared up, but what about resting colors? Does it come from flared up colors? Was his sire a rbbb? Panthers, like all chameleons, change colors, so is he always red body blue bar?
Ya know?

 

[bobcochran]

Red body blue bar
But I'm always curious as to how to determine.
This panther is obviously a rbbb when flared up, but what about resting colors? Does it come from flared up colors? Was his sire a rbbb? Panthers, like all chameleons, change colors, so is he always red body blue bar?
Ya know?

If you look, he's not fired up in the picture above. Yes his colors do brighten and fade a bit, but he's pretty much this color all the time. The pair that produced this clutch are both RBBB and I still only get 10-15% RBBB males from the clutch. And not all of them are this good.

Here's an older (1.5 yrs.) RBBB male fired up and not fired up. I still have this male and his color is fading with age. Last picture is what he looks like today not fired up. He's close to 5 years now. There's not that much difference with the good specimens.

 

[AmandaS]

If you look, he's not fired up in the picture above. Yes his colors do brighten and fade a bit, but he's pretty much this color all the time. The pair that produced this clutch are both RBBB and I still only get 10-15% RBBB males from the clutch. And not all of them are this good.

Here's an older (1.5 yrs.) RBBB male fired up and not fired up. I still have this male and his color is fading with age. Last picture is what he looks like today not fired up. He's close to 5 years now. There's not that much difference with the good specimens.View attachment 283155View attachment 283156View attachment 283157

Hmm, very interesting.

 

[salty dog]

your red guy is bad ass.....I bred a rbbb to a ybbb that turns red sometimes..most of the babies are showing lots o red..anxious to see....

 

[bobcochran]

your red guy is bad ass.....I bred a rbbb to a ybbb that turns red sometimes..most of the babies are showing lots o red..anxious to see....

You (among many others before you), are the bain of my rbbb breeding project. Ever since the ybbb became popular, and very gorgeous, people breed them to the red ambilobe. Or red bar to blue bar ambilobe. Notice how few red bar ambilobe you see these days? This makes breeding rbbb almost impossible. Now there's yellow in every strain of ambilobe. Ten or fifteen years ago I would get 25-50% rbbb males in a clutch, now I'm lucky to get 10%. Think about that. Say there are 26 healthy babies in a clutch, 1/2 are females. 13 males, 10% rbbb=1.3 rbbb per clutch.
I'm not really blaming you, lol, it's been messed up for many years. I'm just an OG thinking about the good old days.

 

[salty dog]

I've been talked to by other breeders....I bred this rbbb x this guys sister... the bottom guy rbbb with top guys sister.. alot of the babies are showing lots o red.. but they are just babies and change quite a bit as adults...time will tell..

 

[salty dog]

the guy on the right moms sire was almost all red like yours..rbbb.. so the genes are there... like you said...a natural animal has variation.. the male on the left turns pure red sometimes...in a relaxed state his bars are dark blue

 

[salty dog]

Relaxed state ybbb that turns almost pure red

 

[bobcochran]

I'd guess tha g is a red bar cross blue bar.
Not saying he isn't beautiful

 

[Mrjamwin]

Great pictures.