REALLY need help re: neonate feeding !

paigesc said:
I actually wanted to SEND THE ANIMAL BACK provided I could stabilize her prior to shipment. The seller doesn't want the animal back and I know it's not in this chams best interest to be sent back, anyway. I can't imagine shipping one this small to begin with. I just find it appalling to be accused of starving the animal. It's beyond unacceptable. Who would do that? So damn stupid and it speaks volumes about the seller, IMHO.

For those interested, the cham is still alive. $100 later, overnight from Joshs should be here tomorrow. With a tiny bit of luck she will take to the food immediately.
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All she said was if you don't order food for her and feed her you would be starving her which you would. Why in the world would you order a chameleon ask what she is eating and not get the food before she got there? You talk about what a fan of this forum you are then you should know all about gut loading. You should have had food crix, flies, or something appropriate sized for an 6-8 week old chameleon waiting for when she got there. She was probably in a box with no food for a minimum of 16 hrs babies need to eat 2x a day the food should have been there for her not in a store so you had to go get it.

And as for the size I have a clutch of 21 that started hatching out on the 3rd of July and finished up on the 6th. I have babies that are smaller than that one of yours and others that are 3-4 times as big. They grow at different rates I have had to keep dividing mine up in to smaller groups according to size. I wouldn't ship one the size of the one you recieved but that's me. I saw that ad on Fauna and thought wow they are small to be shipping but you saw the same ad and ordered one. You asked for a small girl what did you expect?

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That one you got looks just like the ones in the picture small. Hopefully you get your food tomorrow an she does fine. But you ordered a small 6-8 week old chameleon and had no food ready for it that is on you not the seller.
 
Kerrek said:
All she said was if you don't order food for her and feed her you would be starving her which you would. Why in the world would you order a chameleon ask what she is eating and not get the food before she got there? You talk about what a fan of this forum you are then you should know all about gut loading. You should have had food crix, flies, or something appropriate sized for an 6-8 week old chameleon waiting for when she got there. She was probably in a box with no food for a minimum of 16 hrs babies need to eat 2x a day the food should have been there for her not in a store so you had to go get it.

And as for the size I have a clutch of 21 that started hatching out on the 3rd of July and finished up on the 6th. I have babies that are smaller than that one of yours and others that are 3-4 times as big. They grow at different rates I have had to keep dividing mine up in to smaller groups according to size. I wouldn't ship one the size of the one you recieved but that's me. I saw that ad on Fauna and thought wow they are small to be shipping but you saw the same ad and ordered one. You asked for a small girl what did you expect?

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That one you got looks just like the ones in the picture small. Hopefully you get your food tomorrow an she does fine. But you ordered a small 6-8 week old chameleon and had no food ready for it that is on you not the seller.
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I did see that pic but what I didn't expect was that would be the size (actually those look bigger than what I received) when she arrived. I was thinking those were 'early' photos, and not indicative of what she was shipping at that time. And that's not what she said NOR was that the intent. I gut load fine. We have plenty of crix, just none 1/8 in length. We simply didn't know they weren't readily available anywhere within 45 miles due to the difficulty STORES have with keeping them alive at THAT SIZE. I assumed far to many things but far be it for me to assume a breeder not to know these things. I can't imagine Columbia is the ONLY state that doesn't readily have 1/8 crix avail OR fruit fly culture OR tiny phoenix worms available for immed purchase. Like I said, we have ordered all the above to the tune of $100 which will be here tomorrow. Glad to hear YOU wouldn't ship out your chams so small.
 
paigesc said:
I did see that pic but what I didn't expect was that would be the size (actually those look bigger than what I received) when she arrived. I was thinking those were 'early' photos, and not indicative of what she was shipping at that time. And that's not what she said NOR was that the intent. I gut load fine. We have plenty of crix, just none 1/8 in length. We simply didn't know they weren't readily available anywhere within 45 miles due to the difficulty STORES have with keeping them alive at THAT SIZE. I assumed far to many things but far be it for me to assume a breeder not to know these things. I can't imagine Columbia is the ONLY state that doesn't readily have 1/8 crix avail OR fruit fly culture OR tiny phoenix worms available for immed purchase. Like I said, we have ordered all the above to the tune of $100 which will be here tomorrow. Glad to hear YOU wouldn't ship out your chams so small.
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Don't you think you should have known before she arrived that you couldn't get the food she needed(1/8 crickets, fruit flies, or sm pheonix worms) locally. In all of this on here and fauna I haven't seen you answer the question why didn't you get the food the breeder told you to get BEFORE she arrived? It doesn't make any sense she told you what you needed why didn't you get it before the baby arrived? Can you tell us that? I'm sorry but I just don't understand why you would order an animal and not have the food she needed before she got there. It makes no sense to me.
 
Kerrek said:
Don't you think you should have known before she arrived that you couldn't get the food she needed(1/8 crickets, fruit flies, or sm pheonix worms) locally. In all of this on here and fauna I haven't seen you answer the question why didn't you get the food the breeder told you to get BEFORE she arrived? It doesn't make any sense she told you what you needed why didn't you get it before the baby arrived? Can you tell us that? I'm sorry but I just don't understand why you would order an animal and not have the food she needed before she got there. It makes no sense to me.
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No, I had no idea local stores wouldn't have 1/8 crix, fruit fly culture or small phoenix worms on hand. One would assume you could at least fine ONE of those items handy- but here's what I did expect; is that the seller MIGHT have an indication food for this size requires online ordering - or that it's a good possibility. And THAT was my biggest mistake. And if this was even a remote possibility, she should have shipped with a few worms at least IMHO. Not as an absolute necessity but as an order of good measure 'just in case'. I know now not to ASSUME such things and you better believe I won't ever assume anything again from any independent seller. Just like I assumed the previous seller would use ice packs in the middle of July, but what do I know?? But after seeing this baby, I really feel reputable breeders wouldn't let them go so small. That's not why I complained about her but it just reinforces my opinion about the situation in general. I bet you Chuck G or anyone of the other great sellers on this forum would never ship their babies so young.
 
paigesc said:
No, I had no idea local stores wouldn't have 1/8 crix, fruit fly culture or small phoenix worms on hand. One would assume you could at least fine ONE of those items handy- but here's what I did expect; is that the seller MIGHT have an indication food for this size requires online ordering - or that it's a good possibility. And THAT was my biggest mistake. And if this was even a remote possibility, she should have shipped with a few worms at least IMHO. Not as an absolute necessity but as an order of good measure 'just in case'. I know now not to ASSUME such things and you better believe I won't ever assume anything again from any independent seller. Just like I assumed the previous seller would use ice packs in the middle of July, but what do I know?? But after seeing this baby, I really feel reputable breeders wouldn't let them go so small. That's not why I complained about her but it just reinforces my opinion about the situation in general. I bet you Chuck G or anyone of the other great sellers on this forum would never ship their babies so young.
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Paige, stop harping on how small the chameleon is. That story line is overplayed and a moot point, since you knew around what size the chameleon was and asked for one on the smaller side. The point here is that you were told exactly what the chameleon was feeding on and you failed to source the proper food for it. I find it hard to believe that within and hour's drive in all directions from your home, you couldn't find the proper food. You more than likely just didn't look hard enough.

Tim and Tina sold you a cham that they felt was ready to go. Whether it was or not is irrelevant, because you bought it. They were more than willing to be of assistance. And they DID not accuse you of starving it...just that that is what you would be doing if you didn't find it the proper food, which as the buyer is 100% your responsibility. Stop trying to play the victim here, take responsibility for your irresponsible purchases, and deal with it accordingly. And please, as Dennis pointed out, stop tweaking your story here from the one you posted on Fauna. The thread you started on Fauna obviously didn't go the way you would have liked it to, so don't try to make things more accommodating to you here.
 
paigesc said:
As stated, I assume responsibility for MY actions and I'm not blaming her for MY ignorance.
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My question is if you are taking responsibility for your own unpreparedness then why do you have a paypal dispute trying to get your $ back?

Also I read in both posts here and on fauna that you said you will never deal with an independent seller again. Just remember every big name breeder was a no name at some point in time.
 
this fourm isnt for this you guys theres a thread on fauna if you want to harp on this bullcrap doit there enough already!!!!
she stopped answerin there so you come here to bash more? thats enough of the bs already
 
Sorry if I bothered you Rob but I had 1 question and 1 statement that I knew she wasn't going to answer the question over there. I have been on this site for a few months now I didn't just join to come bash her, but if i have a question i should be allowed to ask it without you jumping on my case.
 
whatnowcustoms said:
Sorry if I bothered you Rob but I had 1 question and 1 statement that I knew she wasn't going to answer the question over there. I have been on this site for a few months now I didn't just join to come bash her, but if i have a question i should be allowed to ask it without you jumping on my case.
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why bother? thats what fauna is for dude this site wasnt made for you to come an bash her cause she wouldnt answer on the other thread.grow up an move on..
 
I didn't bash her. I had 1 question cause I was curious why she did something she did? Sorry for being curious. Isn't a forum where you ask questions to learn about something or a situation? Again I did not attack or bash her I asked 1 simple question cause from this thread, her thread about freaking out about the shipping of the wc animal about 2 weeks ago, and the fauna thread(which i saw after the 2 on here), being someone that breeds reptiles I would like to know why the paypal dispute for my own general knowledge of dealing with customers. I have been breeding reptiles for 13+ years now and i could understand if it was sick or dead but this one just baffels me and would like to understand more about it. Sorry again you saw it as me bashing her rob.
 
paigesc said:
No, I had no idea local stores wouldn't have 1/8 crix, fruit fly culture or small phoenix worms on hand. One would assume you could at least fine ONE of those items handy- but here's what I did expect; is that the seller MIGHT have an indication food for this size requires online ordering - or that it's a good possibility. And THAT was my biggest mistake. And if this was even a remote possibility, she should have shipped with a few worms at least IMHO. Not as an absolute necessity but as an order of good measure 'just in case'. I know now not to ASSUME such things and you better believe I won't ever assume anything again from any independent seller. Just like I assumed the previous seller would use ice packs in the middle of July, but what do I know?? But after seeing this baby, I really feel reputable breeders wouldn't let them go so small. That's not why I complained about her but it just reinforces my opinion about the situation in general. I bet you Chuck G or anyone of the other great sellers on this forum would never ship their babies so young.
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Did you take my advice and buy a net and catch bugs or has the poor thing not ate in 3-4 days??:mad:
 
Todnedo said:
Did you take my advice and buy a net and catch bugs or has the poor thing not ate in 3-4 days??:mad:
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No, we decided to straight out starve her to death and watch her slowly die.:mad:

The bugs we attempted to catch with a net are either too big for her or so small they escape thru the netting.

She's eating what fruit flies we can gather as well as the smallest worms we could find. Her food will be here today. Any other sarcastic questions I can answer for you?
 
paigesc said:
No, we decided to straight out starve her to death and watch her slowly die.:mad:

The bugs we attempted to catch with a net are either too big for her or so small they escape thru the netting.

She's eating what fruit flies we can gather as well as the smallest worms we could find. Her food will be here today. Any other sarcastic questions I can answer for you?
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Yes I have one more. Why do you blame everyone but yourself for this cham's suffering?
 
"Blackball Yourself In One Thread for Dummies" guess everyone already read this one but I found it today and couldn't resist.;)
 
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