Rudis maybe????

Nobody is "giving" you a bad rep. You came to this forum seeking a cheap chameleon and those "experts" here know what happens (because of experience) what happens to first time chams bought on the cheap, regardless of how wonderful you think your skills are. Nobody wants to help a youngster whose number one issue is dollar signs. These are hands down the most expensive reptiles to keep healthy and alive long term.



Ok, you want help. Honest question on my end first, how old are you?
 
Logging on and watching you get yelled at has definitely been a hilarious part of my forum experience. You remind me of those kids that yell obscenities over the mic on xbox live
 
The term rudis is a bit of a misnomer in the hobby. True Trioceros rudis are not exported [generally] so you won’t see them for sale. What people are calling rudis is actually Trioceros sternfeldi which is the species I recommended to you many threads ago. It also makes it harder for you to research about the species if you are using the wrong terms here or in Google.

There are a few members here that breed the Trioceros sternfeldi so every so often you will find true captive bred specimens for a fairly reasonable price. I don’t think there are any for sale right now but keep your eye on our classifieds section and they will show up. However you are going to have to be patient; it might be weeks or months before they are available. Again, do not buy wild caught specimens which over the next few months might be more readily available.

Here is another blog for you to read. It will give you some temperature and humidity levels you need to hit in your cage to ensure a Trioceros sternfeldi remains healthy and happy.

https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/trace/780-random-musings-seasonal-cycling.html
 
Ahoysteven said:
Logging on and watching you get yelled at has definitely been a hilarious part of my forum experience. You remind me of those kids that yell obscenities over the mic on xbox live
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Nobody is "yelling" at him. More like ignoring. He keeps wanting somebody to agree with him and his way of doing this project. This forum is hands down the number one place for so many seasoned keepers, people who have spent the money and time and tears to learn the things we know. Information he seems not interested if it goes against him getting a cheap lizard for a cage he already has. I'm waiting to see to how he responds at the moment.
 
Thanks for the info T. While I admit I did somewhat give myself a bad rep, I'm not looking for someone to agree with me, just someone to help me.
 
NickyChameleon said:
Thanks for the info T. While I admit I did somewhat give myself a bad rep, I'm not looking for someone to agree with me, just someone to help me.
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My gosh kid. You have been offered help and advise from numerous members. Yet you keep posting new threads with the same questions! You won't be happy until someone says tells you what you want to hear... You have made that quite obvious.
 
Yes and by what I want to hear I assume you mean a trioceros sernfeldi, and one preferably under 100$. I'm gonna work a bit and get some money together, all I need is a decent source (200$ I can't do, but if anyone knows where I can get a CB trioceros sernfeldi that would be great.
 
I was waiting to see if you would answer the only question I asked, one you didn't want to answer. It is a sign of maturity to do that. Instead you glossed over it and responded to what you wanted to. That tells me my time is wasted in speaking with you at any level. It also tells those not posting but just reading your topics the same thing.



What seems like so long ago a young man in his teens hit me up for information on Chams. I didn't want to respond to him since most kids are just that. However there was maturity and politeness in his questions about keeping chameleons. Today he happens to be a PHD with a solid rep in the chameleon community. I'm glad I took the time to chat with him so long ago.


In your case, wait for a reptile show and then take your meager $50 and go buy the first chameleon you see from any vendor. Good luck and there is the info you wanted so badly to hear
 
Money should be your last concern with buying/caring for a Chameleon. As for where to find one it's simple. Look in the classifieds here for a breeder, if you don't find one you have to be patient. If you can't wait then your only options are online sellers. LLLReptile, FLChams, etc. Relying on Christmas money and or your families money will result in improper care, and is irresponsible in owning any pet. May not be what you want to hear, but it is the truth.
 
Nicky,

If you remember I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt many posts ago. I asked the others to take it easy on you, but then you started throwing fits and now you are going to have to earn respect by doing research and trying to answer your own questions. I think people would start warming back up to you if you came to them with intelligent thoughtful questions that you have already put thought into.

You are not ready for a cham if you cannot engage in respectful conversation period. Stop and think about it! Your exo terra glass will be fine for a rudis for 6 months. Now you need a bigger enclosure 100 bucks. You are at school all day you cannot hand mist, you need a misting system 100 bucks. Through no fault of your own your little guy gets an eye infection, go to the vet 100 bucks. You cannot just feed crickets all the time, other prey items, supplements, gut loading, uv bulbs every 5 months 100 bucks. You want to make a free range 100 bucks, ect, ect.

Bearded dragons and geckos are great animals. Maybe a ball python, but a cham? NO SIR! Sorry for telling you the truth.

Ben
 
Benjlan said:
Nicky,

If you remember I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt many posts ago. I asked the others to take it easy on you, but then you started throwing fits and now you are going to have to earn respect by doing research and trying to answer your own questions. I think people would start warming back up to you if you came to them with intelligent thoughtful questions that you have already put thought into.

You are not ready for a cham if you cannot engage in respectful conversation period. Stop and think about it! Your exo terra glass will be fine for a rudis for 6 months. Now you need a bigger enclosure 100 bucks. You are at school all day you cannot hand mist, you need a misting system 100 bucks. Through no fault of your own your little guy gets an eye infection, go to the vet 100 bucks. You cannot just feed crickets all the time, other prey items, supplements, gut loading, uv bulbs every 5 months 100 bucks. You want to make a free range 100 bucks, ect, ect.

Bearded dragons and geckos are great animals. Maybe a ball python, but a cham? NO SIR! Sorry for telling you the truth.

Ben
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This is a troll...you people are biting like crazy...just ignore all of the posts.
 
I had to look up a troll. Don't laugh! In case others don't know,
"In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion,[3] often for their own amusement."

Don't feed the trolls.

Thank you Wikipedia
 
Despite what you all think, that is not what I want to hear. All I want is a site I can get a decent price (about 100$) on a trioceros sernfeldi (CB) and preferably without sarcasm if possible. To answer your question, I am 13 and I didn't intend to gloss over it I had to get to a Halloween party and just replied to that which I figured was important at the time. I've dealt with reptiles since I was almost six, and when I was five I split my head open and cracked my skull. Reptiles helped me cope, and I've loved them since. Last Christmas I decided on a chameleon when I realized how spectacular they are. I've been researching since then, and have been looking for a decent breeder for 3 months. A week or so ago, I decided on a Rudis chameleon due to its small size and regular chameleon look (long curling tail, green colors, etc) and am really and honestly just looking for a good breeder who has taken care of my new friend well and is less than 200$ (which I understand is a good price for a chameleon, but the last thing I spent 200$ on was my iPod which I am writing this on. All I honestly want is stated above, and instead of thinking my prejudice and cheap, realize I'm only 13 and while I love reptiles and take care of them well, I am relatively new to chameleons compared to you, which is why I came here. Instead of telling me to "just go buy a random WC from a vendor" or to "go get yourself a puppy", please inform me of where I get a trioceros sernfeldi. And yes I know my DOB on my profile is different, I just overlooked it and flicked down and pressed ok.



Looking for actual help, not a critique or sarcasm,
Nick,The Herp Boy (I like frogs too)
 
Okay, I have been reading your posts for quite a long time now and can see there is lots of tension between you and this community.



So I ask everyone including the OP to just calm down and take a step back. Writing aggressive posts only escalates issues.



Now to address the OP.

You are only 13, so I can see why you have gotten so defensive. I am happy that the reptiles in your life helped you cope and you are starting to widen your horizons with other creatures. However I ask you to please calm the hormonal puberty aggression and look ay how your defensive attitude has come across. Many have offered input and you have retaliated. I understand why, as much of it seems to be repeats and you are anxious to get into the hobby. However your retaliation has turned away some of the best experts in the field and you will want their advice throughout your chameleon experience.



Anywho onto what the topic is! I am glad you have listened a bit to what people have said and settled on a rudis. Beautiful creatures they are.



I agree with everyone else that a screen cage is optimal but your glass enclosure can work for a few months while you gain more money to buy this screen cage (you can find good screen cages for a little cheaper on lllreptile). Now what I strongly recommend is for you to reach out to proven rudis keepers and look at what they seem to have done right in their keeping and take notes to then reciprocate in your own keeping. Yes this will take time, however by doing this you will fully learn what the rudis will need and maybe even come across a member selling a baby! By doing this you can show the community your maturity and they may be willing to even take you under their wing (Jannb did this for me when I first got into chameleons) and can be a good resource when things go wrong. By also analyzing the other keepers and using their methods the community cannot lash back out at you about your care as it will be their own and beginners make mistakes, they all did. The point is you will have proven yourself to them and they will be there when you need them.



Want an example? I first got into chameleons when my technical school vet science teacher adopted a young veiled. He fascinated me and I came here to research. Not only did I discover we dis everything wrong but that I had come across a community willing to help. Through this I became close friends with Jannb and she has become my mentor. By studying everyone's keeping habits I was able to become am activist in the chameleons care. He now lives a happy and healthy life and I still keep and eye on him to make sure he gets proper care. Mind you I did at least a year if research before I bought my own chameleon (who happens to be a great grand any of Jannb's first veiled and son of Spike whom she now cares for). Because I watched, waitied and listened to these keepers I feel they accept me and I have now begun to reach out and mentor new keepers. Hence why I reccomend you do the same.



Be patient, wiggle your way into the rudis chameleon community and polietly ask questions. They will answer and with time not only will you have saved the money for proper care and a healthy cham. But you may have also become so close to the community that you will discover members who bredd and will be happy to sell you a baby. Rthis is the advice I can offer you and I hope you take it. Dont be impatient because the best things come to those who wait.



-Cassidy
 
Honestly at 13 I wouldn't even entertain the thought for a cham. I realize you spent $250 on stuff but its going to cost you a ton to care for. If you have a job and your own $, great but to have parents pay for stuff and you care for cham, imho with it not being your money I believe care will be pushed aside since the only consequence is cham dying (which is bad in itself) it went thrive. No bashing but just from the same posts you make which ppl have answered adnauseum, you want listen or check sites out or won't simply google read/watch some reviews in order to find a cham. If you want do that we can only assume raising and caring for a chameleon won't be done.
 
Thanks for the advice. The way I see it, I have 2 options.

A) buy one off FLChams for 200$
B)wait for a member to have a batch that he does not want, and hopefully get a baby or juvenile for 125$ or so. Hopefully this happens soon.

For me, B seems the best option. I get a CB, it is young and will therefore do fine in the small cage I own, and I love lizards (if I didn't I wouldn't be here) sorry for arguing so much with the experts, but I get annoyed easily (should probably work on that) and I find that reptiles calm me down. I have a 15 or so year old Leopard gecko, and as the maximum life expectancy of a leopard gecko is 20, he is likely to die soon. I hope he does not feel pain. The last time a lizard of mine died, I barracaded myself in my room and cried for a day straight, I didn't eat or anything because I blamed myself. That was 5 years ago, and my Mountain Horned Dragon, Minerva, who lived in the same home as my new Rudis will, died of the cold, as that winter was very harsh and PETCO mislead me by saying she was "low intermediate." Yeah no, low expert. Anyway, I had her for a year and she laid eggs every once in a while and back hen I thought they were all fertile. I remember that vividly.
Anyway, he will probably sleep for a bit longer than usual in a year or so, and as he was my first ever lizard, you can expect me to be staying home from school (I refuse to go out in public crying) just writing this I am tearing up. I hate the thought of death. Leo has been in my possession 7 and a half years, my reward for getting all As on a report card in May. My sister got a corn snake, Mushu, whom I have cared for 6 years. My second leopard gecko, Bob, I got because he was sickly and I felt sorry for him. He is still sickly, and he will soon pass as well (Neither really eat anymore. Bob eats every 3 days, scarfing down ten mealworms, and Leo every week with about 3 or 4 mealworms. I dread the day when I have to force feed them, as I hate doing it to them. If they starve to death for being idiots, I will blame myself. On a happier note, Bob has finally realized that he has a neighbor (Leo.) It seems that all of my pets will die within a year or two of each other. As my two lizards slowly deteriorate, so does my loving Miniature Schnauzer, Hank. His species only lives 12 years (very very maximum) and he is 10. As I write this, my point is that I need another companion to fill the emptiness that will soon swallow me. Sorry for being so dramatic, but those who have lost pets understand. Once, I found tadpoles and felt sorry for them. I picked them up in my water bottle (filling it with pond water) and put them in a tank with my aquatic frogs from my first grade teacher (she always knew I loved herpatology). You can predict what happens next. Thinking their distant cousins were food, they ate them. Once I had a cage with three or four anoles that I caught in my backyard. When feeding them, one made a run for it. On instinct, I closed the door. Unfortunately, John's head was crushed. I let the others go, and I told my mom that I was going to hell because I killed one of God's creatures. I can babble on forever, but my battery grows increasingly low and I really need to go to sleep. Again, my point is that 3 of my four pets are soon to fall asleep forever, and I need a spot of light in (yes this sounds dramatic) the blackness soon to surround me. I hope my grades don't suffer. I want to get a degree in herpatology at Colorado University, study some there, and build a house there with 3 acres of forest in a warm climate. I will release a species of chameleons to live in the woods, and then I will be content. Considering that it rains every day in Colorado, humidity will not be an issue. Warmth will, however, but I have 15 years to plan.

Just hoping you guys will understand,
Nick, the Herpatoligist to be.
 
I'm about to start a babysitting job for the weekends, getting 50$ or so a week, (8$ an hour) and will be able to support Chiche just fine. If you don't mind, I will be getting to sleep now. PS I forgot to mention that Leo has either gone almost blind or just doesn't care anymore. Also he holds his leg like a human would if someone kicked their leg inward at the knee. Looks painful to me, but he seems chill with it. Seriously though, I have Sunday school and church to get to tomorrow....or rather later today now.

Wishing you and I luck in our endeavors,
Nick, the soon to be Herpatoligist
 
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