Sad chameleon?

kthhwtt

kthhwtt

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Presley is a very healthyl and happy chameleon, he is fine whenever i have to handle him and is very social. I have all the nessicary essintials for his 16x16x30 terrarium witch include (Heat lamp with 60 watt heat bulb, Reptisun 5.0 UVB lightbulb, Dripper, Calcium, Calcium with D3, and herptivite witch is given to him on a monthly scedual, and a combination of real and fake plants. I'm not to sure why he looks sad... maybe he's just relaxed? but about half the time i look at him when he's in his terrarium, he's in there laying resting his chin, and just looks really sad.. is this normal?
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Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care?
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon?
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule?
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking?
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.

Cage Info:
Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps?
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity?
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?
Location - Where are you geographically located?

Current Problem - The current problem you are concerned about.
 
What time of the day did you make this picture? If late in the afternoon or if it's dim in the cage he might be ready for bed.
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Chameleon Info:
·Your Chameleon –Veiled Chameleon, Male, between 4.5 – 5 months. Iv had him for 2.5 months
·Handling – Occasionally.
·Feeding – Dusted crickets and superworms, 4-6 crickets a day and superworms for treats, Dusted crickets with calcium with d3 and herptivite once a month and dusted with calcium every second feeding, I gut load them with lettus, carrots, and R-Zilla Gut load cricket drink.
·Supplements – Rep-Cal Calcium, Rep-Cal Calcium with D3, Rep-Cal Herptivite. Calcium with D3 and herptivite once a month and calcium every other feeding.
·Watering – Dripper is running from the morning until he sleeps and he is misted. I mist him once a day. Yes I see him drinking.
·Fecal Description – Its brown and the urite is very white. He has never been tested for parasites.
·History – He was healthy and had a good shed before I brought him home.

Cage Info:
·Cage Type – Zoo Med Repti Breeze Aluminium screen terrarium. 16x16x30.
·Lighting – R-Zilla Reflector Dome with zoo med Repti Basking spot bulb and a Reptisun 5.0 UVB Bulb in a light hood., Lights come on at 7:30am and go off at 10:30pm
·Temperature – His basking spot is 85 and 79 at the bottom. The overnight temp is 73. I measure the temp with the exp terra analog thermometer.
·Humidity – 50 – 60 % I keep it at that level by misting and with the live plants provided. I have a hydrometer to measure humidity
·Plants – Yes and I am not to sure what the names are
·Placement – ON a shelf in my room. No fans or vents directly facing the cage. The top of his cage is 77 inches from the floor.
·Location – I live in Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Current Problem – Listed above
 
Brad Ramsey said:
Are you certain of that?

-Brad
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No, I am not certain of that. Perhaps I should have worded it differently. Typically when we see behavior changes in our chameleons, it usually indicates something is wrong, either healthwise or with the husbandry. I didn't mean to make it so absolute and I apologize for that. I was basing my statement on other threads I have read on this forum regarding things like this.

This one: https://www.chameleonforums.com/personality-19378/ and this one:https://www.chameleonforums.com/could-he-depressed-12241/ were 2 in particular I was reading.
 
bridgofaith said:
No, I am not certain of that. Perhaps I should have worded it differently. Typically when we see behavior changes in our chameleons, it usually indicates something is wrong, either healthwise or with the husbandry. I didn't mean to make it so absolute and I apologize for that. I was basing my statement on other threads I have read on this forum regarding things like this.

This one: https://www.chameleonforums.com/personality-19378/ and this one:https://www.chameleonforums.com/could-he-depressed-12241/ were 2 in particular I was reading.
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The stance on anthropomorphism for different people varries. Me personally, I believe everything can have feelings, there is no proof that they can not. I may sound paranoid :rolleyes: but I believe that humans do not like the thought of any other species being any better than they are and therefore they tend to forget that they themselves are just another species. Who are they to say what other species can or cannot do? I have seen it multiple times, other animals showing signs of emotions or "anthropomorphism", so that is where I stand.
 
As I already said, I am not certain. It is entirely possible that they have emotions to a certain extent. I also said that I didn't mean to be so absolute and apologized for it. However, do I believe that they have the same emotions that we as humans have? No, I do not.
 
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bridgofaith said:
As I already said, I am not certain. It is entirely possible that they have emotions to a certain extent. I also said that I didn't mean to be so absolute and apologized for it. However, do I believe that they have the same emotions that we as humans have? No, I do not.
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That's fine I was not implying anything towards you, just adding on my two cents to the subject.
 
justjumpit621 said:
That's fine I was not implying anything towards you, just adding on my two cents to the subject.
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Understood. I should have made it more clear in my first post that it was my opinion. Though I do agree with what is said in the threads I posted the link to. I do not believe this to be true for all animals. We are specifically talking about chameleons so this is just my view on that subject. I think that this is a subject with a wide range of opinions and beliefs, which is good. If everyone thought the same, what a dull place it would be.
 
kthhwtt said:
Presley is a very healthyl and happy chameleon, he is fine whenever i have to handle him and is very social. I have all the nessicary essintials for his 16x16x30 terrarium witch include (Heat lamp with 60 watt heat bulb, Reptisun 5.0 UVB lightbulb, Dripper, Calcium, Calcium with D3, and herptivite witch is given to him on a monthly scedual, and a combination of real and fake plants. I'm not to sure why he looks sad... maybe he's just relaxed? but about half the time i look at him when he's in his terrarium, he's in there laying resting his chin, and just looks really sad.. is this normal?
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Hey I noticed you're from Toronto! Where did you get your cham? Add me - my brother in law owns a reptile store in midtown Toronto. Come visit :)
 
I think the natural facial characteristics of chameleons read as sad to us..just by virtue of the way their mouths are built, they seem to be frowning. We associate frowning with sadness. I'm quite sure they can be sad, but I'm equally sure I would not be able to recognize the emotion unless I'd known the chameleon for a long time.
 
Leilaskeeper said:
Hey I noticed you're from Toronto! Where did you get your cham? Add me - my brother in law owns a reptile store in midtown Toronto. Come visit :)
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Hey me and kthhwtt live in scarbrough :) she got presly from Big Al's On kennedy rd and i got my panther at all reptiles just a bit up from there (not to sure if you know thoes stores) Where is your brother in-laws store located? maybe we will pop by :)
 
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