Safe-guard from Beardeddragons (Panacur)

[BIGGUN]

Found this 10% liquid Fenbendazole on BeardedDragons.co

http://www.beardeddragon.co/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=652&search=Panacur

Then found this dosage:

Fenbendazole (Panacur)* 50-100 mg/kg PO rep q 2 wks 2-3x

With this footnote.

Fenbendazole, commonly sold under the brand name "Panacur", is generally purchased by veterinary clinics in powdered form. The powder is mixed with fluid as needed for oral administration. Fenbendazole is also available in cream form sold in tubes for horses. The calculations for fenbendazole are as follows:

Cream
kg bodyweight x 0.25 = cc per dose
gm bodyweight x 0.00025 = cc per dose

Compounded liquid
0.3-0.4 cc/lb. bodyweight per dose
0.66-0.88 cc/kg bodyweight per dose


So I'm not sure where they took into account the % of the solution.

I thought I found a basic formula to take this into account but I can't locate it again. I might have seen it when researching Ponazuril.



Thanks, Kevin

 

[BIGGUN]

Does anyone know or have a link to the formula?

 

[BIGGUN]

Ok so I found it. It ended up being in a window that wasn't visible until it was clicked to open.

Its recommended dose x converted weight
-------------------divide----------------------
concentration of the med
after you do the conversions.

1. Convert the weight of your reptile to kilograms, to convert grams to kilograms you divide by 1000 or you move the decimal 3 places to the left.

2.Next you need to know the concentration of the meds. If a concentration is in %. multiple the % by 10 to get the concentration in mg/ml. So in your case it is 100

3. Next you need to know dose. This is in terms of milligrams of medicine to be used per kilogram of body weight of the reptile

4. Then you multiply the dose times the weight of the reptile and divide by the concentration

You will have to weigh or measure out from the paste you have, depending on the weight of your reptile, you will not need very much though

Here is an example of a dragon that is 483 grams and the panacur you have at the concentration you have


Example 483 gram dragon that needs 25 mg/kg of panacur in 10% dose

recommended dose x converted weight............ 25 mg/kg x 0.483 kg
then divide concentration of the med 100 mg/ml ..........0.12075 ml

Round off to .12 ml


So that's what I was looking for.

Now, in trying to find the formula I found that the recommended treatment seems to be 3 to 5 days of dosing seperated by 1 to 2 weeks for 2 to 3 treatments instead of one dose every 2 weeks for 2 to 3 treatments.

So what have you guys been doing or directed to do by your vet recently? Chams arriving Fri hopefully have fecal done Saturday.


Kevin

 

[laurie]

That is some really good info, thanks

 

[kinyonga]

@BIGGUN are you planning on treating your chameleon for parasites without knowing what it has?

 

[BIGGUN]

@BIGGUN are you planning on treating your chameleon for parasites without knowing what it has?

Just trying to get everything in line for when my WC's arrive. I will assume they will come in with some parasitic load and/or coccidia so I want to be prepared to treat. They will be hydrated before treatment and taking to the vet ASAP, probably Saturday as was stated in my last post. If they do have either worms or coccidia I want to have all the info on best current treatments to discuss these with the vet that I am unfamiliar with. If he/she suggests Ambol I'd like to be able to counter with Ponazuril. Or if he suggests Valbazen I would rather use Panacur.

But since for whatever reason this thread has gone nowhere I don't have a lot of information to discuss with the vet.

Kevin

 

[CJ's Exotics]

Just trying to get everything in line for when my WC's arrive. I will assume they will come in with some parasitic load and/or coccidia so I want to be prepared to treat. They will be hydrated before treatment and taking to the vet ASAP, probably Saturday as was stated in my last post. If they do have either worms or coccidia I want to have all the info on best current treatments to discuss these with the vet that I am unfamiliar with. If he/she suggests Ambol I'd like to be able to counter with Ponazuril. Or if he suggests Valbazen I would rather use Panacur.

But since for whatever reason this thread has gone nowhere I don't have a lot of information to discuss with the vet.

Kevin

@jajeanpierre would have a lot of suggestions for this, but I will give you a summary of what she would say: Wait a couple of months for the animals to deal with the parasite load first (as it was probably raised with all the stress of the WC process) then do treatment, but still make sure with your experienced vet that they are in good condition

 

[kinyonga]

@BIGGUN ...You said..."But since for whatever reason this thread has gone nowhere I don't have a lot of information to discuss with the vet"..maybe the thread went nowhere because you didn't ask a question in the first post ...and then before anyone could reply you said you found it and I think most people thought you were just giving us information at first.

As @CJ's Exotics said "Wait a couple of months for the animals to deal with the parasite load first (as it was probably raised with all the stress of the WC process) then do treatment, but still make sure with your experienced vet that they are in good condition"...this is what my vet and I usually did with WC's unless they were showing signs of not doing well because of it. If they have a heavy load if parasites killing the parasites creates dead parasites/waste/garbage that the chameleon's system has to deal with but often can't because there is too much waste/garbage so the chameleon can die from the toxins produced. Parasites that are alive seem to be "accepted" and if the stress of import is allowed to subside before then treatment the chameleon can often lessen the load itself. Not sure how well I explained that.


BTW...never heard of Ambol or Valbazen.

For pin worms and a few other species we always used fenbendazole..for coccidia, a sulfa drug was used...different parasites need different drugs to kill them.
These might help you...
http://www.uvma.org/chameleon/parasites.htm
http://chamworld.blogspot.ca/2008/01/parasites-warning-this-health-chapter.html
http://www.madcham.de/en/parasiten/

This one gives some information if you can down......
clinician™s approach to the chameleon patient - IVIS
PDFwww.ivis.org › proceedings › navc › sae

Look under health...there are several articles...
http://www.chameleonnews.com/Reference.html

 

[BIGGUN]

Thanks for the input!! Looks like I have some reading material for tonight.

Reading through it I now see that I didn't actually ask a question. I guess I thought leaving it open ended would have generated conversation.

Didn't realize I should wait THAT long to treat. I will change my gameplan as I intended on a temporary QT. Looks like I will establish a second permanent area to isolate them.

Ambol I believe is one of the Ivermectin based meds used for coccidia.

Valbazen is in the family of Panacur that is harsher and can affect appetite and has been linked to birth defects.

Thanks for the input.

Kevin

 

[kinyonga]

You said..."Ambol I believe is one of the Ivermectin based meds used for coccidia".....are you sure you don't mean albon?
You might want to read this too...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12790406

You said..."Valbazen is in the family of Panacur that is harsher and can affect appetite and has been linked to birth defects"...all I can tell you is that since I've never heard that name my vet hasn't used it for any of my chameleons...and I've taken a lot there in the 30+ years I've been keeping them.

More...
https://www.merckvetmanual.com/exotic-and-laboratory-animals/reptiles/parasitic-diseases-of-reptiles
http://www.skypoint.com/members/mikefry/wildcaughthealth.html