Seriously worried.

[Docility]

if its not a burn then it could be fungal (this would normally give of a smell so if you want to rule that out then give him a good sniff)/A skin parasite which would not show up in a fecal smear, and if you just added a live plant, or sit him on a live plant he may have contracted it from there, and i would clean his plants (i would monitor this by watching the darkened area, and see if the start to spread in pattern, or just heal up) Possibility it could be a autoimmune and the phagosites are eating healthy tissue causing skin necrosis. (if thats the case he will start getting these random spots every where no pattern) the last case i have never really heard of so that would be in an extreme rare case if not the only one in chams.

if his poop remains orange then its probably the kelp/carrots your feeders are eating.

either way if it persists for more than 4 days max i would take him to get examined

 

[Syn]

i would clean his plants

I think it's better to just throw them away and get new ones.

 

[jojackson]

I think orange poop is far more likely to be from ingesting, or drinking water from those ridiculous hideous fake plants you have in the cage {dye) and its worth removing them, live is better.

The skin may or may not be a reaction to the same dye/s in the plants. If the urate is white its well hydrated. Orange poop is not the result of gutloading crickets with carrot.
It would take an enormous amount of carrot to do that.

Vitamin A deficiency is worth asking about.

 

[Docility]

I think orange poop is far more likely to be from ingesting, or drinking water from those ridiculous hideous fake plants you have in the cage {dye) and its worth removing them, live is better.

The skin may or may not be a reaction to the same dye/s in the plants. If the urate is white its well hydrated. Orange poop is not the result of gutloading crickets with carrot.
It would take an enormous amount of carrot to do that.

Vitamin A deficiency is worth asking about.

if its the feeders staple diet than its very possible since they cant not convert beta carotene and thats a major part of the carrot. so he may not be digesting the carrots in the feeders stomach, but more than likely no, because most of the time it takes a lot, but thats coming from the human approach, and we can convert beta carotene.

also those leaves are plastic there is no way for those to leech color....

if you take it to the vet wont the do a nutrition analysis on him anyway?

 

[leid]

Well apparently people can't read.

1) I already said I was going to Wal-Mart this weekend to get real plants.
2) I already stated I had taken him to the vet for a fecal and for a checkup on Monday. His Vit A deficiency has been resolved. His fecal is clear.
3) I already noted that my chameleon's behavior has been normal.

Perhaps we should take less time drenching posts with witty, insulting remarks and take more time reading. This is a discussion, and apparently the only person who is annoyed by this thread is -you-. gtfo out then, seriously. I'm sure there's a pedistol waiting for you in the next health clinic thread.

If someone can prove how plastic vines can turn chameleon feces orange, I'll get rid of them. The dye, in this case would be green. Dye does not magically transform into orange through the digestive tract. I'm siding with Docility on this one.

To Docility, I thoroughly clean all of the items in my cage three times a week. A fungal infection doesn't begin with shredded skin. These are scabs. I ran my hand over them and they are hard. If I see any indication of anything worsen, I will take him to the vet, but I'm not about to spend another 70 dollars for the vet to tell me I'm overreacting and he's just scratched himself.

Anyway, thanks for mostly everyone's replies!

 

[jojackson]

They look more like silk to me from the pics. never had any lizard produce orange crap from cricket carrot gutloading in 20 yrs.

Id get some poop tested...again.

 

[jojackson]

If someone can prove how plastic vines can turn chameleon feces orange, I'll get rid of them. The dye, in this case would be green. Dye does not magically transform into orange through the digestive tract. I'm siding with Docility on this one.

I was referring to the orange crap...

To Docility, I thoroughly clean all of the items in my cage three times a week. A fungal infection doesn't begin with shredded skin. These are scabs. I ran my hand over them and they are hard. If I see any indication of anything worsen, I will take him to the vet, but I'm not about to spend another 70 dollars for the vet to tell me I'm overreacting and he's just scratched himself.

If you think its just the results of a scratch, and your not worried, why start a thread called 'Seriously worried'. ???

People are trying to help you and anything thats suggested you argue with. so you gtfo !

 

[leid]

They're plastic. Honestly. I even asked the material before I bought them and read the ingredients.

The poop that I tested was the orange poop. Vet cleared it and said he didn't know what it was, hence why I asked on here in my orange poop thread hoping someone else had any idea. I told him I had fed him some carrot slices a couple days before. But he hasn't pooped since so if the orange does come back I'll take him to the vet without hesitance and press they find out what's going on.

I snuck a peek at Fred while he was sleeping. His "scabs" aren't there anymore. This is weird. I might be leaning toward the dirty coloration as jojackson said, especially since he is only 6 months and this is about the time they start changing to vibrant, but im not out-ruling anything else people have said. I'll keep a close watch on him for the next few days, but honestly he's still acting pretty normal.

 

[leid]

I'm not arguing. What, you think immediately if someone tells you to go to the vet, I should go?

What if someone told me to shove cyanide down my chameleons throat, should I? I take everyone's responses into consideration and they'll be on my mind as I watch him the next couple days. Should I bow down to you just because you've been raising chams for twenty years?

Get a life, and also maybe something for your angsty mid-life crisis period you're going through. I've already asked you to either be more polite or just not post, and you continue. The only person stirring this pot is you. If you have any further urges to degrade members in public, don't. If you have any problems with what I've just said, please private pm me. I have no wishes to have any further conflict with you publically, for the sake of everyone reading.

 

[NewOwner]

I'm not arguing. What, you think immediately if someone tells you to go to the vet, I should go?

What if someone told me to shove cyanide down my chameleons throat, should I? I take everyone's responses into consideration and they'll be in my mind as I watch him the next couple days. Should I bow down to you just because you've been raising chams for twenty years?

Get a life, and also maybe something for your angsty mid-life crisis period you're going through. I've already asked you to either be more polite or just not post, and you continue. The only person stirring this pot is you.

Omg, ive been following this post for a good 30 minutes... can we please just both Not argue?

This forum is to help people, Id think both of you could be more grown up and work together, not bicker back and forth like little kids. . . .

This forum has gone from Needing help about a chameleon, To Mid life crisis's and 'Gtfo's'

Lets get back on topic... ... .. .. .. . . . PLEASE

-Levi

 

[leid]

I 100% agree. I've been trying to avoid conflict since Eric's post.

 

[jojackson]

I already stated I had taken him to the vet for a fecal and for a checkup on Monday. His Vit A deficiency has been resolved.

You didnt mention that in the first post. The discoloration may an effect of that deficiency that simply didnt appear immediately.
Yes, just for peace of mind, go back to the vet Ok, Or dont, What do I care, Its not my Cham, Im not 'Seriously worried' !

Ill remember your name, add you to ignore and never help you again.

 

[leid]

Oh, to make mention on the orange plant. That's my vase plant I put him in for like 5 seconds to take a picture of him. That isn't in his cage?

 

[kinyonga]

Where there ever any blisters/pox-like lesions on your chameleon? Did it all appear at once or did it "spread"?

Did the vet test the skin for bacteria? Viruses? Fungus?

 

[leid]

Aww. I pinched a nerve. Sorry that you can't bully me.

Anyway. I'm sorry people. I really enjoyed this discussion and hope we can keep it going despite the set back. I really do appreciate what everyone has told me, and despite what was previously said, I WILL consider a vet if anything gets worse/odd. I've had him a month and a week and have taken him to the vet three times already, as he had unknowingly a severe vit A deficiency when I bought him at the petstore. I do love Fred, and I would do anything to keep him safe, hence my questions on here. There's been many hypotheses about his condition, therefore I can't pin-point a single one.

I have now shifted his UVB slightly away from his basking spot, but not so much that he won't get any. I am also going to watch his skin to make sure nothing worsens. The plant issue will be resolved this weekend in case that's the problem as well.

 

[NewOwner]

I 100% agree. I've been trying to avoid conflict since Eric's post.

Thank you!

Now if you want my opinion, i believe since you say its not a burn, wait a few days see if the poop changes back to normal brown, and dont feed anymore carrots to crickets (Let crickets eat differantly for 2 days or so to get carrot out of ther bellys) and then lets see what happens... if its still orange, and someone else hasnt stepped in then id take her/himm to sa vet

If its not that, i would get something wrong with the intestines, infection maybe, just a WILD geuss though, because i know if human intestines get infections, your Human feces can change colors (Mostly green i think..)

And i know for humans if you eat to many carrots your feces can go orangy coloured.

My geuss though is intestine infection if anything other then carrots.

i have no experience with this kind of thing though.

Sorry about my last comment, this thread was just leading to Only god knows where...

-Levi

 

[NewOwner]

Theres many possibilities that im reading..

Maybe caused by humidity levels? Mold?

Ill read more.. and get back to ya.

 

[leid]

kinyonga --

no blisters, no lesions. I walked in at 3 pm to mist him and he had shredded skin. It looked like he had scratched himself. Two hours before this he was fine. My first theory was that his shed caused him to try and scratch it off. Now, they're black scabs which you can view in the pictures. They do look like burns, but they were never lesions or blisters, or any indication of a burn to begin with!

Thank you!

Now if you want my opinion, i believe since you say its not a burn, wait a few days see if the poop changes back to normal brown, and dont feed anymore carrots to crickets (Let crickets eat differantly for 2 days or so to get carrot out of ther bellys) and then lets see what happens... if its still orange, and someone else hasnt stepped in then id take her/himm to sa vet

If its not that, i would get something wrong with the intestines, infection maybe, just a WILD geuss though, because i know if human intestines get infections, your Human feces can change colors (Mostly green i think..)

And i know for humans if you eat to many carrots your feces can go orangy coloured.

My geuss though is intestine infection if anything other then carrots.

i have no experience with this kind of thing though.

Sorry about my last comment, this thread was just leading to Only god knows where...

LOL funny story--

I had eaten carrots with my meals for like three days straight. The next time I went to the bathroom I freaked out and thought my liver was failing!

 

[NewOwner]

I copy and pasted this from a website...

Its about fungus.

A dermatophyte-like fungus was isolated from skin biopsies of three different species of captive chameleon in which fungal elements had been observed by histologic examination. An adult Parson's chameleon (Chamaeleo parsonii) presented with vesicles that became crusty brown lesions on the limbs and body. Skin biopsies revealed fungal hyphae in the affected epidermis and underlying dermis. The lesions regressed fully after oral administration of itraconazole. An adult jewel chameleon (Chamaeleo lateralis) from the same private collection presented with localized black skin lesions and died while being treated with itraconazole. A pulmonary granuloma was also present in this chameleon at autopsy. Cultures obtained from skin and lung lesions yielded the same fungus. A third isolate was obtained from a skin biopsy of a Jackson's chameleon (Chamaeleo jacksoni) with deep ulcerative cutaneous lesions located at the base of the tail. The fungus, in all three cases, has been identified as the Chrysosporium anamorph of Nannizziopsis vriesii, a poorly known ascomycetous species recorded previously from the skin of a lizard and from soil, on the basis of its keratinolytic activity, resistance to cycloheximide, strongly restricted growth at 37 degrees C, formation of clavate or pyriform single-celled or two-celled aleurioconidia, and alternate and fission arthroconidia.




and quoting your last thread, you said 'He did eat a bunch of mandarin oranges yesterday. Could they have turned his poop orange?'

I believe the oranges could have done some deal on the orange poop..

 

[Sang]

To me, it looks fungal.

the best advice there is, would be a vet visit, with a experienced vet in herpatology, your best bet will to have a sample of the skin taken and reviewed by the proper people.


the forums is a great collaberation of advice, but in no way does it replace medical treatment for your animals.


If his skin has not yet healed, definatly take him in for a check up.