Shipping Temperatures ?
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JoeG
New Member
I was thinking about waiting a week when the low was to rise to 30 & the highs being 40 but if thats not recommended I will wait longer till its safe. This is my first winter ship. I haven't had to think about it before. Are the temp tolerances different for montanes to pardalis or kinyongia?
Chase
Chameleon Enthusiast
I have ever personally had anything shipped to me, I've been lucky enough to be able to go to shows when I'm itching for a new one, but I would think temperature tolerances would vary slighty. Of course even though motanes may tolerate lower temperatures, I wouldn't feel safe receiving a Cham if the temps were below 40, like the others have said.
LPR08
On the other side though I have had 3 month panther sent out at 19f from California to ohio, during holiday shipping. She was stuck at the distribution facility in Indiana overnight. Arrived a day later at the hold location. Heat packs were still warm and she was perfect. Just for better piece of mind. I still was very nervous and think more now about it.
warpdrive
Avid Member
I could not agree with Laurie and others on this forum any more then I do on this subject.
while I have had shipments shipped both to me and from me in cold winter months, when temps get too low the worst is always a possability.
heck, just about a year ago I had a shipment of some montains sent to me from FL., so the shipper didn't even include a heatpack. the temps were going to be fine overnight and the next day so it was no big deal. but I had problems with Fedex and it was never delivered on the day it was suposed to, and with the following nights temps dropping down to 25F I was looking at 4 could be dead animals.
thankfully, the two quads arived well like nothing happened. but the cristatus (a WC baby at that) and the tiny pygmy that I recived both looked dead (other then their eyes were moving). they were so ultra cold, both me and my nephiew held them in our hands to help warm them up a bit before placing them into their cages by the heat lights.
montains will do better in cold shipping, but the lesson here is to be careful of just when to ship. watch the temps like a hawk. make sure you give an extra day for any delivery problems...even if you live in a big city and never have issues. above all, never ship or recive chameleons in overnight temps that drop bellow 40F.
with that said, I wouldn't fear too much. there are a lot of people out their who know how to ship in cold weather and if it's not too bad overnight, all will be well.
Harry
while I have had shipments shipped both to me and from me in cold winter months, when temps get too low the worst is always a possability.
heck, just about a year ago I had a shipment of some montains sent to me from FL., so the shipper didn't even include a heatpack. the temps were going to be fine overnight and the next day so it was no big deal. but I had problems with Fedex and it was never delivered on the day it was suposed to, and with the following nights temps dropping down to 25F I was looking at 4 could be dead animals.
thankfully, the two quads arived well like nothing happened. but the cristatus (a WC baby at that) and the tiny pygmy that I recived both looked dead (other then their eyes were moving). they were so ultra cold, both me and my nephiew held them in our hands to help warm them up a bit before placing them into their cages by the heat lights.
montains will do better in cold shipping, but the lesson here is to be careful of just when to ship. watch the temps like a hawk. make sure you give an extra day for any delivery problems...even if you live in a big city and never have issues. above all, never ship or recive chameleons in overnight temps that drop bellow 40F.
with that said, I wouldn't fear too much. there are a lot of people out their who know how to ship in cold weather and if it's not too bad overnight, all will be well.
Harry
yankfanthom
Established Member
I was supposed to ship a cham today but since it's 9 degrees outside I'm obviously going to wait. Any responsible seller will wait until the temps go up and any responsible buyer should understand. I'm glad to see a general consensus here that its worth it to wait. Nobody wants a chameleon popsicle!!!!
chameleongirl2
New Member
if theshipper has experience, and it has garentied life shippment, you shouldent need to worry about it, but anyways, i prefere just NOT "ordering" a cham.
laurie
Retired Moderator
I have to say someone guaranteeing live delivery doesn't do a thing for me when I open a box with a dead cham. After you have that experience once you never want it to happen again. I speak from experience. I don't need any cham so fast I will risk killing it. Getting your money back isn't everything. jmo
Cainschams
New Member
I would feel confident in my shipping at these temps. Ive shipped a veiled to Colorado when temps were in the teens there. She arrived fine.
NOTE: This was to a person who was a forum mod. He told me to go ahead and ship because he didnt want to wait 3 months until he got her. If its packed right there should be no problem at all.
Of course, its better to be safe than sorry.
NOTE: This was to a person who was a forum mod. He told me to go ahead and ship because he didnt want to wait 3 months until he got her. If its packed right there should be no problem at all.
Of course, its better to be safe than sorry.
laurie
Retired Moderator
If you were here maybe we could get Bill sent to New York. Where are you when I need you??? Florida - big help you are.
Texas Panther Man
New Member
I know our members up in Canada ship in much colder temps than we do and and they dont have any issues. The problems occur when ppl dont use the proper materials to ship. (ie proper heat packs/not cheap hand warmers, & dont buy insulated boxes or out of ignorance punch holes in an insulated box).
As long as the temps are in the 30's or higher and youve properly packed the cham with at a min a 40hr heat pack. They should be fine even if they get delayed by one day due to the shipping co. Most deaths occur because ppl cheap out and buy 1.99 hand warmers and wont buy the proper boxes. We actually tested this last winter and in mid 30's temps the inside of the box was in the 60's. And the cham is in a cup so I'd think it would be a degree or two higher in the cup than in the box. Pack properly and watch for weather delays and everything will be fine....
As long as the temps are in the 30's or higher and youve properly packed the cham with at a min a 40hr heat pack. They should be fine even if they get delayed by one day due to the shipping co. Most deaths occur because ppl cheap out and buy 1.99 hand warmers and wont buy the proper boxes. We actually tested this last winter and in mid 30's temps the inside of the box was in the 60's. And the cham is in a cup so I'd think it would be a degree or two higher in the cup than in the box. Pack properly and watch for weather delays and everything will be fine....
JoeG
New Member
Thank you everyone for your opinions.I value & learn from them all. I am leaning towards TPM's experience that at 30 degrees properly insulated, it should be above 40 inside the box so at this point I'll probably speak to my shipper & provide a proper heat pack & insulation & shoot for a Mon. into Tues. shipping. I'll update this thread when she arrives.
warpdrive
Avid Member
oh come on now. you have personaly heared many of my cold weather shipping adventures to know how to ship in the cold...this doesn't include some crazy weather that you get. but then again who would even want to go outside in the weather you get just to mail a package.
I've personally have shipped mantids that require far more heat then all montains and I have a 95% sucsess rate in such weather as 30F overnight.
the key is to dubble insulate the box and use 40 hour heatpacks with overnight delivery. you will also be suprised at just how good and cheap home insulation is instead of the standard foam inserts.
PM me if you want details
Harry
