Sometimes worthless UVB winter/spring/fall basking in sunlight

fluxlizard

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OK, so this dropped in my inbox this morning for human health use, but is very relevant for chameleons.

Basically- it boils down to this-

During the winter months, most of the US (and Canada and Europe, etc) the angle of the sun prevents UVB from the sun reaching the earth.

So, if we have a beautiful day in early March for example, UVB may not be reaching our lizards if we take them outdoors for basking.

Similarly, if we build a lovely greenhouse with special glass that allows for the penetration of UVB from the sunlight, there will be none available from perhaps mid september to mid March in many areas.

The sun needs to be above a 50 degree angle to allow penetration of UVB through the atmosphere.

You can calclate your area here and see what the angle of the sun is on any given day during the year and what hours during the day the angle exceeds 50 degrees (only a few hours around noon in spring and fall when UVB actually penetrates). A nice quick and easy calculation can be done here:

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/AltAz.php

The original article about this is found here:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/03/26/maximizing-vitamin-d-exposure.aspx?e_cid=20120326_DNL_art_1#_edn3

If that makes you subscribe and you don't want to or just want to see the video explaining how to do it, it can be found here:

Watch the youtube video

Keep in mind if this guy is selling stuff and if you subscribe you will get lots of email newsletters constantly, so you may want to just watch the video. But his stuff is pretty interesting usually and I enjoy it.

I was aware of some of this problem, but sort of ignored it, not knowing the necessary calculations. So I see now that I've had my kids putting their bearded dragons in the windows with glass raised sometimes when there is no UVB to be found anyway...
 
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:eek:OMG...I get April-August and only from about 9:30am-ish to 2pm-ish...hmm that is kinda a bummer! Great info though! Now I don't feel so bad not getting them out first thing in the morning!! Or at all right now for that matter! Might explain why Claude was so happy to go back into his cage yesterday...I couldn't figure it out...went right to his UVB basking branch too...
 
Looks like I'm safe, if I'm reading the charts correctly I have proper UV right now basically all day long. Which is good, because everyone has been living outside for a couple weeks now, full time.
 
well i didnt look at the charts but my solarmeter reads 250 (on a sunny day right now )so i think im good ;)
 
I have to agree with Hoj,
I always meter before taking them outside, even in January I get high reads. Sometimes as early as 9am.
I figure if I get even 50 indoors, then 150 outdoors is still better
anne
 
I'm just passing on info, so that is interesting to get fair comparisons with the solar meters.

I don't know anything about using a solar meter so I guess my next question is- what does the reading mean? Does it give a measurement of amount of UVB or does it only indicate UVB is present at a particular wavelength?

In other words, is the US Navy wrong or are they measuring quantity and saying the quantity is super low or something?

(Maybe intensity is better word than quantity)?

Edit- scratch that LOL- I'm doing too many things at once-

The navy only reading angle of sun- I guess what I mean is what the doctor is saying is that the quantity is too low for benefit or is he just plain wrong?

Maybe it is too soon to tell my kids not to raise that window on warm days for their dragons.
 
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First, you are a long time member and I have always respected your words, so I am not questioning you at all.
And even though I am a Navy Veteran, I also respect them and mostly their Drs.
I was merely responding my own observations while taking a reading with an invaluable tool, the solar meter.
I truly love all info regarding lighting and uvb.
So keep passing it on so I can continue to learn.
I meant no disrespect towards you
Anne
 
the solarmeter measures UVB out put in a wattage per cubic centimeter rating.
i doubt the us navy is wrong, but i honestly dont understand alot of what i saw their LoL
so i will go with the solarmeter, but cool info non the less :)
i too value your info and posts :D
 
LOL- no disrespect interpreted at all.

Honestly- I was just passing on something I thought was interesting that landed in my inbox.

I have read and heard before that UVB is lacking in the winter so most of us in the US are d3 deprived part of the year.

But I guess I don't know enough about the topic to give an endorsement- I just assumed the info in the newsletter was correct. I guess I shouldn't have passed it on with such confidence in retrospect.

So I am very interested in comparing with the readings you guys got and how they compare.

I trust what I have experience with, but I'll be the first to admit that I've got big holes in my understanding - there is so much to understand!
 
Also- LOL- sorry about the navy- they were just measuring angle of the sun. I'm multitasking this morning and not doing the best job of keeping my brain lined up with everythingl.

The Dr and his newsletter presented as fact that anything less than 50 degree angle of the sun and you end up with no UVB. He cited something from Colorado state university for that. There is a link to the pdf on that page.

So, the navy - really isn't their fault they are just measuring the angle of the sun and not worried about UVB LOL.

How accurate that info is - I'm not expert enough to say. So I'm very interested in your readings and how what they measure (amount or only that some amount is there?) and how that compares with the opinion in the newsletter...
 
Awesome information, i wouldnt have really thought about the angle of the sun changing the amount of uv light that you receive. Props for posting that.
 
I am curious as to why it can only calculate the angle of the sun in between 1700-2100? This makes no sense to me ;/
 
Im slighty confused by this as well... Thank Todd for my solarmeter!:D

The navy is probably moving the sun around from 2101-1659, and doesnt want anyone to know about it!:eek:

Everyone with a solar meter, should go outside and check everyday, and you should all log this information on a chart. Over time we would have enough data to overlay it on a map, and actually see if UVB fluctuates greatly from one area to another, at different times of the year.
 
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